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Comment author: CronoDAS 02 February 2014 11:06:46PM 3 points [-]

Unfortunately, I lack the ability to properly communicate the experience of playing Magic as opposed to other games. I can point to a few aspects of the game, though:

1) It's not static. Magic changes all the time because new cards are released every few months. Chess and Go have been Chess and Go for hundreds of years, and they've been studied to death. Relative to other classic games, Magic is a game that gives more rewards to experimentation and discovery.

2) There are random factors in Magic. This adds excitement; to paraphrase a saying about American football, on any given day, any player can win. The best player at your local tennis, Chess, or Go club will never, ever win a match against the current World Champion. In Magic, although the better player usually wins, upsets can and do happen. This can even be fun for the better player, who can still have the experience of trying to claw his or her way back from behind, even against lesser players. (On a related note, some games are harder to handicap than others; Go has an elaborate system in which weaker players are given handicap stones at the start of a match, but handicapping Chess players is more difficult. Magic handicapping is trivial; just change the decks each player is using.)

3) I find trying to think zillions of moves in a chess or chess-like game difficult and stressful. Magic doesn't present players the task of dealing with ridiculous game trees but still manages to continuously present interesting decistions to make, thanks to random factors and hidden information in addition to a moderate amount of visible complexity. It's more about who has better quality heuristics than brute-force look-ahead.

4) Competitive Magic has a large infrastructure and community devoted to it. You can find small tournaments all over the world, and Magic Online is almost always available. There are also larger, more prestigious tournaments, too, many of which have significant cash prizes and some of which are invitation-only, up to and including a World Championship. If you have cards and want to play Magic competitively, it's easier to find opportunities than it is for many other games and sports.

5) It almost goes without saying, but playing Magic is fun and exciting. They don't call it "Cardboard Crack" for nothing.

Comment author: Prismattic 03 February 2014 06:07:24AM *  8 points [-]

As a former casual Magic player in the early 90s, I'm going to go ahead and argue that you just aren't familiar enough with games other than Magic that have come out either before or since. Just among customizable games MTG only ranks 14th on boardgamegeek. It's beaten out not only by games that don't require constant infusions of cash (notably Mage Wars at #2), but other collectible card games (Android: Netrunner at #1).

Throw in games that have fixed cards but can be played with a draft mechanism (e.g. Race for the Galaxy; Omen: A Reign of War -- both games that I own and can recommend highly) and you have even more choices that won't break your wallet.

There are over 50,000 board and card games in the boardgamegeek database. I assure you that there are plenty of them that many people find more fun than Magic, even among people who find deep abstract strategy games stressful.

Note that Magic is also far from the only modern board game to have both online play and tournament infrastructure. To take an atypical example, one of my favorite games, Dungeon Twister, (imagine the mutant hybrid child of Chess or Arimaa and Dungeons and Dragons) is both available for Playstation online, and has (or at least had) tournaments in both Europe and the United States.

TL;DR -- Your claim is informed by availability bias and insufficient sampling.

Comment author: CronoDAS 03 February 2014 09:45:04PM *  0 points [-]

Does Netrunner have high-prestige tournaments and a World Championship? I know there are some games, such as League of Legends and Starcraft, that have ambitions of being "e-sports" with highly competitive, publicized gaming circuits. It's that kind of thing that I'm attracted to.

Comment author: Prismattic 03 February 2014 11:43:32PM -1 points [-]

I've not played this one. But if you look under the "More information" portlet here you can find information on tournaments and online play.