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Comment author: David_Gerard 04 February 2014 11:17:26PM *  1 point [-]

Sean's goal to "make my point of view a little clearer to a group of people who don’t already agree with me" is certainly achievable. Whether it is a good one to strive for (by whatever metric of goodness) is less clear.

While it's about Nye-Ham rather than Carroll-Craig, anti-creationist activist Zack Copplin thinks the Nye-Ham debate is worth it for this. David McMillan, who was raised in fundamentalism and later learned science, considers that "In a debate like this one, demonstrating even the most elementary facts about evolution and the age of the universe would be a great success" in order to put cracks in the hermetic world view of the faithful.

Edit: As Jayson notes below, this comparison isn't quite fair - though an ardent apologist, Craig is not in fact a creationist.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 05 February 2014 01:52:51AM *  4 points [-]

Does Craig actually deny "elementary facts about evolution" or disagree with mainstream cosmologists about the "age of the universe"?

Comment author: David_Gerard 05 February 2014 05:37:38PM *  0 points [-]

Good catch, thanks - Craig is not in fact a creationist.

Going back to the original question, though, I think such viewpoint-cracking is what Carroll is going for. I wouldn't like to guess his chances of success - Craig is really good in public debating - but I do think that's his intended effect, and that he thinks it's worth it.