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Comment author: polymathwannabe 24 February 2014 07:38:46PM 2 points [-]

The best means to stop a Hitler would be to show the actual, ugly truth of where he'll lead us. Very few lies about Hitler could match the real horror.

Comment author: Nornagest 24 February 2014 08:03:13PM 8 points [-]

To credibly show the truth. Claims of Hitler-equivalent societal doom are a dime a dozen. Almost all of them are false.

Comment author: James_Miller 24 February 2014 08:39:12PM *  5 points [-]

Almost all isn't that reassuring given the scope of the potential harm. Hitler democratically acquired power in an advanced civilized Western Christian nation while being fairly open about his terminal values. Fear of this pattern repeating is worth continually emphasizing.

Comment author: Nornagest 24 February 2014 09:09:14PM *  1 point [-]

The analogy isn't effective (outside the ingroup where it originates) unless it's credible; throwing it around in situations where it isn't in no way guards against the possibility of a recurrence of Nazism, or one of its less famous but often equally nasty companions in 20th-century totalitarianism. In fact, I'd say it's probably actively detrimental, as it makes the accusation less punchy when and if we do start seeing a totalizing popular movement that openly preaches extreme prejudice against an unpopular group of scapegoats.

That's not to say that these kinds of mass movements aren't worth studying or analogies to modern movements can't be made; they absolutely are and can. But crying Nazi without commensurately serious justification can only cheapen the term once everyone catches on. Who cares about having one more political slur?

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 February 2014 02:44:43PM 0 points [-]

Hitler democratically acquired power in an advanced civilized Western Christian nation while being fairly open about his terminal values.

I think it's somewhere in Sun Tzu's Art of War. Often things are well hidden in plain sight.

Hitler's biggest advantage was that nobody took him seriously.

Comment author: James_Miller 25 February 2014 03:14:49PM 1 point [-]

And yet the German military didn't overthrow Hitler when he started messing up military strategy in Russia.

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 February 2014 03:21:50PM 3 points [-]

By that time Hitler did put people he trusted into central positions of military power. Everybody who Hitler considered to be untrustworthy was already removed from power.

Nobody succeeded in running a coup against him but people did try at such dates as the 20 of July. The military didn't follow Hitlers orders when it comes to subjects such as burning brides in Germany.

Comment author: roystgnr 25 February 2014 09:26:24PM 2 points [-]

A few tried, even specifically operating under the theory that the failures in Russia would make a post-assassination coup politically possible, in Operation Spark.

I don't think this much affects your point, though; by the time a sufficiently evil person and/or group is in power, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of political and psychological mechanisms they can use to entrench there.