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Comment author: polymathwannabe 24 February 2014 07:38:46PM 2 points [-]

The best means to stop a Hitler would be to show the actual, ugly truth of where he'll lead us. Very few lies about Hitler could match the real horror.

Comment author: James_Miller 24 February 2014 08:33:31PM -1 points [-]

In a world with rational voters, yes. In our world you might want to start a false rumor such as Hitler's Jew hating is just a false cover for his true desire to reduce social welfare payments

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 February 2014 02:59:14PM 0 points [-]

In our world you might want to start a false rumor such as Hitler's Jew hating is just a false cover for his true desire to reduce social welfare payments

That rumor wouldn't spread. It's to complicated to be a good story that's believable to the average person in that time period. I think Bruce Sterling's novel Distraction is quite brilliant at illustrating how such principles work.

Comment author: James_Miller 25 February 2014 03:17:28PM 2 points [-]

I was making an analogy to Bill Clinton's false claim that Bob Dole wanted to cut medical benefits to senior citizens. When confronted with his lie by Dole, Clinton reportedly said "You gotta do what you gotta do."

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 February 2014 03:25:21PM 1 point [-]

It's confusing to talk about history of the 1930's with examples that come from the 1990's and which aren't marked that way.

It prevents you from learning the historic lessons that the 1930's do provide.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 24 February 2014 08:37:17PM -2 points [-]

In Tea-Party constituencies, that'd be an argument in his favor.

Comment author: James_Miller 24 February 2014 08:51:37PM *  -1 points [-]

No, smarter voters would see the purpose of the lie and vote against Hitler. (As a tea party person I'm disassociating with Hitler.)

Comment author: polymathwannabe 24 February 2014 08:55:10PM -1 points [-]

The Tea Party would probably support a candidate who they had reason to think wants to cut down welfare programs, even if there are some unnerving rumors about him.