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blacktrance comments on LINK: In favor of niceness, community, and civilisation - Less Wrong Discussion

26 Post author: Solvent 24 February 2014 04:13AM

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Comment author: blacktrance 24 February 2014 09:56:59PM 9 points [-]

If the goal is victory for our cause, and not just victory for some people who find it convenient to claim to be cheerleaders for our cause, we need to be very careful that our tactics are not training up Stalins within our ranks.

Well said. Also, an additional benefit of rational discussion is that it promotes truthseeking - people may discover that the cause that they're supporting is not the cause that they should be supporting. Under a "win at all costs" paradigm, arguments against your position are enemy soldiers, so if you win, it'll be without seriously considering the arguments of the opposition. That increases the likelihood of you being wrong. If your goal is something beyond personal power - if it's something like "the correct thing should win and become dominant" and not "I, as I am now, should win and become dominant" - then honest discussion is even more useful.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 25 February 2014 05:34:18AM 8 points [-]

Also, as I mentioned here even if your initial cause was right, by lying about it you'll attract people who believe your lies. Thus, eventually your cause is likely to morph into something that is a bad idea.

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 February 2014 02:04:35PM 6 points [-]

Every revolution eats it's own children.

Comment author: Benito 26 February 2014 07:34:46PM 0 points [-]

Other than the annihilation of the baby-eaters... But otherwise a really cool quote.