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21 Post author: Douglas_Knight 05 April 2014 11:10PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 08 April 2014 04:14:57PM 5 points [-]

More questions along a similar line:

  • Are there any other currently/recently-existing scientific communities?

  • Is there anything the Soviets got right that we don't know about yet? There was a SSC comment thread a while back about the Soviet belief in magnetic storms influencing behavior, which is something the Americans are apparently only now looking into.

  • Viliam_Bur says: "In Soviet Union many scientists knew that e.g. Lysenkoism was a fraud, they were just afraid to speak openly, because they would be fired or put in prison." What beliefs in America/the West are like Lysenkoism? What can be done about them?

  • How accepted was Lysenkoism among the general public? scientists outside the relevant field? the political elite?

  • There are many other examples of beliefs like the Soviet one in abiogenic oil: Germans and low blood pressure, Japanese and blood types, Koreans and fan death, 19th-century Americans and the belief that masturbation causes insanity, Anglophones (or at least Americans and Brits) and the belief that eating carrots improves eyesight. What beliefs in [parts of] America/the West fall into that category? What, if any, are their significant consequences? (Abiogenic oil means depletion isn't a problem; fan death means... people buy fewer fans, and don't leave them on at night.)

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 15 May 2014 12:41:40PM -2 points [-]

None of the examples you mention is exactly official doctrine.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 May 2014 11:02:50PM 1 point [-]

Right. I didn't intend them to be. On the spectrum between official doctrine and benignly popular misconceptions, those are squarely on the latter end. (Except maybe the one about masturbation -- I wouldn't be surprised if there was social stigma against that.) Just as it's important to be aware of and correct for bias created by acceptance of official doctrine, it's important (though probably less so?) to be aware of and correct for bias created by acceptance of benignly popular misconceptions.

And yes, it is a spectrum: for a safe and presumably-uncontroversial-in-this-environment example of a point between Lysenkoism and fan death, consider atheists' testimony about what it's like to be an atheist in the Bible Belt.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 16 May 2014 05:10:03PM -2 points [-]

For rationalist purposes, that fine. For reactionary purposes, my be not....

Comment author: [deleted] 19 May 2014 09:43:08PM 0 points [-]

Any two-digit number would be far too high an estimate for the number of reactionaries who don't hate Protestantism.