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Comment author: Tenoke 08 April 2014 11:17:16AM *  2 points [-]

I am looking for resources related to meditation. I've made the same call before but this time I am aiming at checking the evidence more thoroughly.

I am particularly interested in 1. Decent studies in general 2. Information relating to the dangers of meditation 3. Resources that outline the differences between the different types of meditation

(no need to send me the wiki page on meditation research but if you are particularly impressed in a study there, that could be useful to me)

Comment author: MarkL 08 April 2014 01:35:01PM 3 points [-]

Here is a self-link to my meditation blog; this post has links to other posts:

http://meditationstuff.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/how-to-do-foregroundbackground-meditation/

The blog is a mixture of personal experience, unscientific references, and cherry-picked peer-reviewed research. I specifically talk about the dangers of meditation, with included citations, but unfortunately it's all mixed in with other stuff. Here is one place to start:

http://meditationstuff.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/dark-night-and-what-enlightenment-is-like/

Comment author: TylerJay 08 April 2014 03:58:00PM 2 points [-]

The Relaxation Response focuses on the health effects of meditation. It doesn't cover too many different forms, but it has some good research on how a certain simple form of meditation affects your health. Very science-based, written by a doctor.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 08 April 2014 04:22:34PM 1 point [-]

This is a good place to start for getting an idea about potential dangers of meditation.

Comment author: ChristianKl 08 April 2014 07:24:11PM 0 points [-]

That's an intersting article.

I think a lot of the trouble of speaking of dangers of mediation is that we lack a coherent system about talking about different kinds of meditation.

Also, it is forbidden to ever question anything they said, because it is holy, and they are better than you can ever hope to be. This is why meditation teaching remains stuck in the past – they are determined to preserve their traditions, that's their job. And tradition means no innovation.

This paragraph is intersting. That not the kind of paradigm of the people from whom I learned meditation. At the moment I'm learning under the framework of perceptive padagogy of Danis Bois who's a French men. You might not get answers to every question in a way where you understand the answer but you are certainly not forbidden from asking anything. Sometimes the answer to: "Should I do A or B?". is "That's a good question. Take it with you in your next meditation."

I haven't interact much with real Zen Buddhists but read them. It's my understanding that they have a concept of beginners mind that's about not declaring things to be holy but always being open for learning something new.

Having already an idea of meditation I wouldn't shy away from staying a bit and learning the style of someone who considers some knowledge holy and forbidden from questioning.

When you are a beginner I would recommend to stay away from such teachers. I would also stay away from people who tell you to renounce your bodily desires.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 08 April 2014 12:07:00PM -1 points [-]

What type of meditation are you interested in?