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0 Post author: NancyLebovitz 27 April 2014 08:34PM

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Comment author: V_V 29 April 2014 09:28:57PM *  1 point [-]

So roughly speaking, Roberts had maybe a 50% chance of surviving from publishing his diet book to a ripe old age.

If his actuarial life expectancy was 80 and he had died at 79 it wouldn't have looked particularly suspicious. But according to your data, his probability of dying between 52 and 60 was only about 7.5%, which is not terribly low, but still enough to warrant reasonable doubt, especially considering the circumstances of his death.

Comment author: gwern 29 April 2014 11:28:25PM *  0 points [-]

but still enough to warrant reasonable doubt, especially considering the circumstances of his death.

I disagree (reasonable doubt under what assumptions? in what model? can you translate this to p-values? would you take that p-value remotely seriously if you saw it in a study where n=1?), and I've already pointed out many systematic biases and problems with attempting to infer anything from Roberts's death.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 30 April 2014 03:29:46AM 2 points [-]

Isn't the p-value simply 100%-7.5%?

Comment author: V_V 30 April 2014 07:21:05AM 1 point [-]

I'm not saying we can scientifically infer from his premature death that his diet was unhealthy.

I'm saying that his premature death is informal evidence that his diet at best didn't have a significant positive impact on life expectancy, and at worst was actively harmful. I can't quantify how much, but you were the one who attempted a quantitative argument and I've just criticized your argument, namely your strawman definition of "suspicious death", using your own data and assumptions, hence it seems odd that you now ask me for assumptions and p-values.