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Eugine_Nier comments on Open Thread, April 27-May 4, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

0 Post author: NancyLebovitz 27 April 2014 08:34PM

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 May 2014 12:29:41AM 4 points [-]

It is reasonable that people with certain life experiences may have difficulties understanding the issues of people with different life experiences

Notice that this steelmanning of 'privilege' is completely symmetrical, i.e., an "unprivileged" person would have the same problems with respect to the "privileged" person as conversely. Given that this "steelman" has no connection to the common use of the word "privilege" the question arises, of why that word is being used at all? The answer, I suspect, is in order to sneak in the connotations from the regular meaning of the word "privilege".

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 10 May 2014 12:22:21AM 1 point [-]

The more power you have, the more damage you can do through ignorance.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 10 May 2014 05:31:57AM 2 points [-]

Do you mean individual or collective power? Individually the average poor citizen may not have much power, but collectively they can do stupid things like voting for the candidate promising to "make the rich pay their 'fair share' ".

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 10 May 2014 01:19:32PM 0 points [-]

I think the privilege model is neither completely true nor completely false, and one of the ways it falls down is that it's framed as absolute about members of groups (and according to a static list) rather than being about a statistical tilt.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 13 May 2014 01:22:24AM 2 points [-]

The problem is as I mentioned, to the extend it is true, it doesn't correspond to the connotations of the word "privilege".

Comment author: pragmatist 09 May 2014 11:21:17AM *  -1 points [-]

The argument against symmetry is that the privileged perspective is massively over-represented in prominent cultural productions (movies, books, op-eds, etc.), so underprivileged people have many more resources available that allow them some access to the experiences of the privileged. See this, for instance.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 10 May 2014 12:00:43AM 1 point [-]

privileged perspective is massively over-represented in prominent cultural productions (movies, books, op-eds, etc.)

Really? What definition of "privilege" are you using here? I agree that certain perspectives are over-represented in cultural products, but those are not the same ones that the SJ-types call "privileged".