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Eugine_Nier comments on Open Thread, May 5 - 11, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 May 2014 10:36:54PM 1 point [-]

Evolutionary speaking, that's sufficient because birth control is a recent invention.

I'm not convinced that's true. I believe something resembling condoms, made of cotton or animal intestine, goes as far back as ancient Egypt.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 12 May 2014 01:50:36AM 3 points [-]

Avicenna's medical encyclopedia (available in Europe starting in the High Middle Ages) lists dozens of birth control methods, many of which probably even "worked".

Comment author: CellBioGuy 12 May 2014 01:52:10AM 1 point [-]

And chemical methods via plants going even further back, by analogy to modern and recent hunter gatherers.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 May 2014 02:22:48AM -1 points [-]

I believe something resembling condoms, made of cotton or animal intestine, goes as far back as ancient Egypt.

Evolutionary speaking, pharaonic Egypt is recent.

Comment author: [deleted] 12 May 2014 11:27:48AM 1 point [-]

If birth control had been as widespread as it is among present-day non-religious WEIRD people, the time since ancient Egypt to today would have been more than enough.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 May 2014 03:44:57AM 3 points [-]

Yes, it's also interesting to look at the reasons why it wasn't widespread for much of the time in question.

My guess is that memetic evolution suppresses birth control faster than genetic evolution can adept to it. Periodically we get outbreaks, like present-day non-religious WEIRD culture, where the suppressing memes collapse due to events in the larger memetic ecosystem.