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Eugine_Nier comments on What do rationalists think about the afterlife? - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 21 May 2014 01:21:54AM *  -1 points [-]

Is my computer (my real computer, not an imaginary one programmed with an imaginary AI) "behaviourally aware"? It even runs tests on itself and reports the results.

Yes, actually? To the extent that a worm is aware.

We don't normally use the word "aware" to describe it, but what it's doing seems very, very close to the things we do describe with the word awareness.

The problem is clearly an empirical one.

Then I've misunderstood your claim. The Hard Problem of Consciousness as popularly understood is that even if we understand all the mechanisms of thought to the point that we can construct brains ourselves, it won't explain the subjective experience we have. We can understand the universe with mathematical precision down to the last photon and it still wouldn't explain it. Seems like a non-empirical question to me. That's why they call it subjective experience.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 May 2014 02:26:01AM 0 points [-]

The Hard Problem of Consciousness as popularly understood is that even if we understand all the mechanisms of thought to the point that we can construct brains ourselves, it won't explain the subjective experience we have. We can understand the universe with mathematical precision down to the last photon and it still wouldn't explain it. Seems like a non-empirical question to me.

The common meaning of "empirical" is something based on experience, so it seems that the Hard Problem of Consciousness fits that definition.

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 22 May 2014 04:36:11AM *  -1 points [-]

No? There is no subjective experience I can have that can distinguish you from a P-zombie (under the (wrong) assumption that the hard-problem even makes sense and that there is a meaningful distinction to be made there)