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8 Post author: ChristianKl 30 May 2014 06:09PM

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Comment author: Vaniver 30 May 2014 09:00:57PM 25 points [-]

I am generally opposed to methods that propose to save LW by reducing activity instead of by increasing activity. My reasons for not writing more posts for LW have mostly to do with my current life situation and lack of unallocated time, which may or may not change in the near future. It may be worth discussing ways to make writing posts for Main (or discussion or wherever we'd like to target) easier or more fun.

Comment author: TylerJay 30 May 2014 11:21:54PM 5 points [-]

I could be wrong, but I don't think Christian was suggesting reducing activity. It sounded like he was just proposing that people post all content that currently goes in Open Threads in Discussion instead.

Comment author: Vaniver 30 May 2014 11:28:28PM *  11 points [-]

It sounded like he was just proposing that people post all content that currently goes in Open Threads in Discussion instead.

I think the barrier to posting a post in Discussion is higher than posting a comment in the Open Threads, and thus less of them will happen. I also think doing Open Threads on a monthly timescale, instead of a weekly one, will lead to less comments in the open thread.

I think a guide on "This is how you post to Discussion! :D" will be more effective at getting people to use Discussion the way ChristianKI wants than reducing the frequency of the Open Thread posts. (That's an example of what I think a method that increases activity looks like.)

Comment author: Suryc11 31 May 2014 02:49:17AM 4 points [-]

I think the barrier to posting a comment in the Open Threads is higher than posting a post in discussion

I think you may have meant this instead: the barrier to posting a post in discussion is higher than posting a comment in the Open Threads.

Comment author: Vaniver 31 May 2014 05:57:11AM *  2 points [-]

Yeah, I had it flipped. Fixed, thanks!

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 31 May 2014 04:05:26PM 0 points [-]

Isn't the barrier a convention? Christian is trying to change the convention.

Comment author: Vaniver 31 May 2014 04:50:09PM 8 points [-]

There are also UI and systematic barriers. It is much easier to find the comment box than the Create new article button, for example, and there is a karma minimum for articles but there is not for comments.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 June 2014 02:29:19AM 5 points [-]

Also, the create article UI doesn't resemble anything I've seen anywhere else, and dealing with the html is a pain.

Comment author: David_Gerard 01 June 2014 01:06:37PM 1 point [-]

And uses a gratuitously different syntax from the comments.

Comment author: ChristianKl 31 May 2014 08:14:01AM 0 points [-]

I think the barrier to posting a post in Discussion is higher than posting a comment in the Open Threads, and thus less of them will happen.

Why do you think that's the case?

Comment author: Vaniver 31 May 2014 04:47:22PM 6 points [-]

Why do you think that's the case?

  1. Introspection suggests there's a higher emotional barrier to making a post.
  2. Making a post requires more clicks.
  3. Making a post requires more karma.

As an empirical matter, it should be possible to track the number of non-Open Thread posts in discussion over time, number of comments on those posts, as well as the number of comments in OTs over time, focusing especially on the region before and after the switch from monthly to weekly OTs. My prediction is that the number of comments in OTs increased as it went from monthly to weekly, and increased again when the Recent Open Threads link was added. Your prediction is that the number of non-OT posts decreased, which seems plausible to me. I am uncertain whether total comments increased or decreased, but suspect they increased.

Comment author: ChristianKl 31 May 2014 05:27:28PM 1 point [-]

Introspection suggests there's a higher emotional barrier to making a post.

I think a lot has to do that we at the moment has a rule that certain topics aren't important enough to be in discussion. That's a rule that we could change.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 May 2014 05:36:27PM 1 point [-]

How do you expect to enforce any rule change?

Comment author: ChristianKl 31 May 2014 05:40:20PM 1 point [-]

Basically by discussing what rules are good for LW and then in the case we find a consensus communicate that consensus.