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Comment author: solipsist 31 May 2014 10:19:55PM 7 points [-]

The article you linked to says condom use reduces infection rate by 70%. That sounds good (sort of).

But what's the base rate? Gay and bisexual men make up 2% of the population and 72% of all new infections among 13-24 year-olds. That sounds really bad.

I would appreciate some well-researched article with numbers and conditional probabilities and the like. Perhaps several people could approach the problem from different angles and each do their own writeup?

Comment author: falenas108 01 June 2014 02:23:25PM 3 points [-]

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me all that much. For PIV sex, there is a huge incentive to use condoms: as birth control. Even with people using birth control, condoms are still pretty common.

But, in the gay community many people don't use condoms. As stated in the other article, only 1/6 gay men regularly use condoms. Hence, the higher numbers despite condoms reducing infection rate by 70% for anal sex, compared to the ~80-85% reduction in PIV sex.

Also, slight nitpick. Gay/bi/MSM make up 2% of the general population, but I'd be willing to bet that they make up a much larger percent of 13-24 year olds.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 June 2014 04:39:27PM 1 point [-]

Also, slight nitpick. Gay/bi/MSM make up 2% of the general population, but I'd be willing to bet that they make up a much larger percent of 13-24 year olds.

Could you explain?

Comment author: solipsist 01 June 2014 05:05:37PM *  6 points [-]

Younger americans are more likely to identify as gay or bisexual, one assumes for cultural reasons.

Numbers at gallop poll link were:

  • 6.2% of 18-29 year olds
  • 3.2% of 30-49 year olds
  • 2.6% of 50-64 year olds
  • 1.9% of 65+ year olds
Comment author: [deleted] 01 June 2014 04:55:45PM 0 points [-]

Presumably some of the barriers to entry have been lowered for this demographic.

Comment author: bramflakes 02 June 2014 11:25:08AM 1 point [-]

Or Greg Cochran is onto something.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 June 2014 11:34:35AM 0 points [-]

I doubt it.