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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 June 2014 01:14:48AM 3 points [-]

Also, could you taboo "ideological". I suspect in practice it tends to mean some combination of "disagrees with me" and "contrarian".

Comment author: buybuydandavis 03 June 2014 06:58:08PM 1 point [-]

Yes, in practice, the usage of "ideological" is ideological.

But I think there is a meaningful sense to it. We are all acting out of our motivation to further our values, but some of us, more than others, can and will still recognize and be honest about reality, even when it is inconvenient to making our case. The inability or unwillingness to do this is being ideological.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 June 2014 08:06:21PM -1 points [-]

Yes, in practice, the usage of "ideological" is ideological.

Yo dawg, I heard you like some ideology in your ideology

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 03 June 2014 02:57:28AM *  1 point [-]

It's probably used that way in practice, but it does seem likely to me that there's a useful concept lurking around here. I've definitely noticed that some people are much more inclined to stick with their guns in an attempt to save face during disagreements than others, and I think I've observed long-term changes in that personality characteristic in myself over the years.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 June 2014 03:02:52AM 3 points [-]

So what you're talking about is susceptibility to peer pressure?

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 03 June 2014 03:45:59AM 1 point [-]

Not according to the traditional usage of "peer pressure".