[meta] Policy for dealing with users suspected/guilty of mass-downvote harassment?

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51 [meta] Policy for dealing with users suspected/guilty of mass-downvote harassment?

6th Jun 2014

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Below is a message I just got from jackk. Some specifics have been redacted 1) so that we can discuss general policy rather than the details of this specific case 2) because presumption of innocence, just in case there happens to be an innocuous explanation to this.

Hi Kaj_Sotala,

I'm Jack, one of the Trike devs. I'm messaging you because you're the moderator who commented most recently. A while back the user [REDACTED 1] asked if Trike could look into retributive downvoting against his account. I've done that, and it looks like [REDACTED 2] has downvoted at least [over half of REDACTED 1's comments, amounting to hundreds of downvotes] ([REDACTED 1]'s next-largest downvoter is [REDACTED 3] at -15).

What action to take is a community problem, not a technical one, so we'd rather leave that up to the moderators. Some options:

1. Ask [REDACTED 2] for the story behind these votes
2. Use the "admin" account (which exists for sending scripted messages, &c.) to apply an upvote to each downvoted post
3. Apply a karma award to [REDACTED 1]'s account. This would fix the karma damage but not the sorting of individual comments
4. Apply a negative karma award to [REDACTED 2]'s account. This makes him pay for false downvotes twice over. This isn't possible in the current code, but it's an easy fix
5. Ban [REDACTED 2]

For future reference, it's very easy for Trike to look at who downvoted someone's account, so if you get questions about downvoting in the future I can run the same report.

If you need to verify my identity before you take action, let me know and we'll work something out.

-- Jack

So... thoughts? I have mod powers, but when I was granted them I was basically just told to use them to fight spam; there was never any discussion of any other policy, and I don't feel like I have the authority to decide on the suitable course of action without consulting the rest of the community.

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51 [meta] Policy for dealing with users suspected/guilty of mass-downvote harassment?

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Hi Kaj_Sotala,

I'm Jack, one of the Trike devs. I'm messaging you because you're the moderator who commented most recently. A while back the user [REDACTED 1] asked if Trike could look into retributive downvoting against his account. I've done that, and it looks like [REDACTED 2] has downvoted at least [over half of REDACTED 1's comments, amounting to hundreds of downvotes] ([REDACTED 1]'s next-largest downvoter is [REDACTED 3] at -15).

What action to take is a community problem, not a technical one, so we'd rather leave that up to the moderators. Some options:

1. Ask [REDACTED 2] for the story behind these votes
2. Use the "admin" account (which exists for sending scripted messages, &c.) to apply an upvote to each downvoted post
3. Apply a karma award to [REDACTED 1]'s account. This would fix the karma damage but not the sorting of individual comments
4. Apply a negative karma award to [REDACTED 2]'s account. This makes him pay for false downvotes twice over. This isn't possible in the current code, but it's an easy fix
5. Ban [REDACTED 2]

For future reference, it's very easy for Trike to look at who downvoted someone's account, so if you get questions about downvoting in the future I can run the same report.

If you need to verify my identity before you take action, let me know and we'll work something out.

-- Jack

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Nornagest12y10

I meant that I haven't seen any strong evidence of astroturfing on SSC (by the conventional definition of "a deceptive campaign to create the appearance of popular support for a position, usually involving sockpuppets or other proxies"), and that the presence of an unusually large and diverse neoreactionary contingent is more easily explained by the reasons I gave.

What did you mean by it? NRx, sure, but what about them, and who're the others you alluded to upthread? If we're just arguing over definitions, giving them explicitly seems like the best way to drive a stake into the argument's heart -- and if you've noticed some bad behavior that I haven't, I'd like to know about that too.

[anonymous]12y60

I appreciate your skepticism, but I doubt I can find enough evidence to convince you that NRs do this intentionally. Most of the trouble comes from not being able to find tweets from months ago unless you know exactly what you're looking for, provided they still even exist (e.g., Konk). I'm looking into the PUAs for examples, but I don't know their community as well.

If it's the word you object to, perhaps "meatpuppetry" is better? I don't really see much of a difference, as they both involve manufacturing the appearance of support through multiple accounts.

So, uh, sorry. I really thought this would be easier to show than it turned out to be.

0[anonymous]12y

So one example of a pattern that I saw worked like this: 1. Someone writes a comment being critical of NR. 2. Someone else posts a tweet calling the above names and linking to their comment. 3. Suddenly multiple NRs come out of the rafters to reply to #1. I'd give you actual links but I can't trick twitter into showing me tweets from months ago anymore, and they've probably been deleted anyway. The MRAs and PUAs have been known to do the same thing. I call this astroturfing because an unrelated bystander reading the comment thread interprets the multiple responses of #3 as coming from independent sources, when in reality they're confounded by the call to arms in #2. I suppose Wikipedia calls it "meatpuppetry", which amounts to the same thing, IMO.

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