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Comment author: lmm 20 June 2014 11:05:11PM 1 point [-]

for a counterexample consider whether being a highly religious Muslim signals trustworthiness in the contemporary US.

Doesn't it? It might not win you many friends, but I'd think it will still make you a popular business partner.

Comment author: Lumifer 23 June 2014 04:32:24PM *  0 points [-]

I'd think it will still make you a popular business partner.

Why would being a highly religious Muslim make you a popular business partner?

Comment author: lmm 23 June 2014 06:28:09PM 1 point [-]

Because it would indicate that you are a person of strong integrity, whose moral convictions mean a lot to you, and thus someone to be trusted.

Comment author: Lumifer 23 June 2014 06:36:53PM -1 points [-]

Because it would indicate that you are a person of strong integrity, whose moral convictions mean a lot to you

Interesting. So do you, then, buy into the popular perception of atheists as people without moral convictions and lacking integrity?

There is also the empirical reality of a lot of visibly highly religious people turning out to have serious problems with integrity and honesty.

And, of course, being really religious means the subordination of the mundane life to the pursuit of religious goals. You can trust such a person to be who he is, but you may be mistaken about the ranking of his values :-/

Comment author: lmm 24 June 2014 06:51:54PM *  1 point [-]

Interesting. So do you, then, buy into the popular perception of atheists as people without moral convictions and lacking integrity?

It's more that I'd think of non-practicing religious or "spiritual but not religious" folks as that. Serious, committed atheists, those who sacrifice popularity, time and money for the sake of their atheism, I would accord the same trust (and for the same reasons) as the committed Muslims.