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Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2014 02:10:17AM 4 points [-]

Do you want to lose (most of) your culture, adapt the newcomers' way of doing things and have a chance of competing with them economically?

Meiji Japan which is a good example of adaptation-and-survival mentioned in this thread did NOT lose most of the traditional Japanese culture.

Comment author: Punoxysm 17 June 2014 03:31:05AM *  2 points [-]

Meiji Japan did lead to an authoritative, militaristic culture whose legacy includes WWII.

But also, there's a large difference between being targeted for economic subjugation only (as Japan was) and being targeted for territorial control (as in, imperial subject moving onto your land en masse), as the native Americans, native Australians, and Maori were.

Meiji Japan is overall a relative success story, but it depended on more favorable factors than just Meiji era policy.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 June 2014 01:57:43AM 3 points [-]

But also, there's a large difference between being targeted for economic subjugation only (as Japan was) and being targeted for territorial control (as in, imperial subject moving onto your land en masse), as the native Americans, native Australians, and Maori were.

Part of the reason Japan wasn't targeted for territorial control is that it was clear to everyone that Japan would be able to resist.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2014 04:12:57PM *  3 points [-]

Meiji Japan did lead to an authoritative, militaristic culture whose legacy includes WWII.

We're talking about how to survive colonization, not how to build a society the values of which you approve of.

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