As far as I can tell, we have not fallen into this trap, but since people tend to fail to notice when their in-group has gone crazy
Given the amount of contrarians on LW that open discussions on whether or not LW is a cult, I don't really think we have a problem with lack of self criticism.
Based on the paragraphs quoted above, having to use our ideas to produce something that outsiders would value, or at least explain them in ways that intelligent outsiders can understand well enough to criticize would create this sort of pressure. Has anyone here tried to do either of these to a significant degree?
MIRI does engage in writing some academic papers. As far as I understand CFAR it wants to run publishable studies that validate it's approaches. CFAR also sells a service.
If you make predictions about the effects of your actions and check whether you make them successfully you don't need other people to evaluate your arguments. Reality does the evaluating fine. Whether it's prediction book, prediction markets or simply betting with your friends, gathering QS data are all activities that ground you in reality in a way that postmodernists don't ground themselves.
On the subject of people opening discussions about whether LW is a cult, I'd like to suggest that while it is useful to notice, that metric alone is not enough to determine whether LW has become a cult: We could easily wind up constantly opening discussions about whether LW is a cult, patting ourselves on the back for having opened the discussion at all, and then ending the discussion.
Incidentally on a somewhat unrelated note about cultishness, I don't know how other LWers feel about it, but when I personally think about the subject I feel a really, really...
The following two paragraphs got me thinking some rather uncomfortable thoughts about our community's insularity:
- Chip Morningstar, "How to Deconstruct Almost Anything: My Postmodern Adventure"
The LW/MIRI/CFAR memeplex shares some important features with postmodernism, namely the strong tendency to go meta, a large amount of jargon that is often impenetrable to outsiders and the lack of an immediate need to justify itself to them. This combination takes away the selective pressure that stops most groups from going totally crazy. As far as I can tell, we have not fallen into this trap, but since people tend to fail to notice when their in-group has gone crazy, this is at best weak evidence that we haven't; furthermore, even assuming that we are in fact perfectly sane now, it will still take effort to maintain that state.
Based on the paragraphs quoted above, having to use our ideas to produce something that outsiders would value, or at least explain them in ways that intelligent outsiders can understand well enough to criticize would create this sort of pressure. Has anyone here tried to do either of these to a significant degree? If so, how, and how successfully?
What other approaches can we take to check (and defend) our collective sanity?