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dthunt comments on Why I Am Not a Rationalist, or, why several of my friends warned me that this is a cult - Less Wrong Discussion

12 Post author: Algernoq 13 July 2014 05:54PM

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Comment author: dthunt 13 July 2014 06:38:14PM 24 points [-]

Art of Rationality" is an oxymoron. Art follows (subjective) aesthetic principles; rationality follows (objective) evidence.

Art in the other sense of the word. Think more along the lines of skills and practices.

Comment author: Nornagest 14 July 2014 01:19:31AM *  9 points [-]

I think "art" here is mainly intended to call attention to the fact that practical rationality's not a collection of facts or techniques but something that has to be drilled in through deliberate long-term practice: otherwise we'd end up with a lot of people that can quote the definitions of every cognitive bias in the literature and some we invented, but can't actually recognize when they show up in their lives. (YMMV on whether or not we've succeeded in that respect.)

Some of the early posts during the Overcoming Bias era talk about rationality using a martial arts metaphor. There's an old saying in that field that the art is 80% conditioning and 20% technique; I think something similar applies here. Or at least should.

(As an aside, I think most people who aren't artists -- martial or otherwise -- greatly overstate the role of talent and aesthetic invention in them, and greatly underestimate the role of practice. Even things like painting aren't anywhere close to pure aesthetics.)

Comment author: [deleted] 14 July 2014 02:18:30AM 0 points [-]

Wang Yangming may be relevant here.

Comment author: Algernoq 13 July 2014 11:43:06PM *  6 points [-]

Ahh, that makes more sense.