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18 Post author: PhilGoetz 24 July 2014 12:17AM

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Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 26 July 2014 06:04:01AM -1 points [-]

What do you mean by "soft porn book"?

Comment author: Lumifer 28 July 2014 03:46:45PM 2 points [-]

What do you mean by "soft porn book"?

Um. Nothing special, just plain meaning of the words. What are you asking about?

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 29 July 2014 02:16:50AM 2 points [-]

And what do you think the plain meaning of the words is? "Soft core pornography" is generally understood to refer to video or photographs of people who are naked but not having sex (and that's not the "plain meaning" of the words, but common idiom). My understanding is that the Fifty Shades of Grey book does not contain any photographs, and the people in the book do in fact have sex.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 29 July 2014 09:12:07AM *  4 points [-]

Some people are easily sexually aroused by pictures, some by words. Stereotypes say that men usually prefer pictures, and women prefer words. Also, if the product is too obviously designed for the purpose of sexual arousal, that is considered low status.

So, the trick is to create a book sexually arousing enough that it will increase sales, but not too much so that it would reduce the status of customers; we need some plausible deniability that the customers are buying a piece of art. Twilight plays it safe, Fifty Shades of Grey tries to push it as far as possible.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 August 2014 08:34:10AM *  1 point [-]

So, the trick is to create a book sexually arousing enough that it will increase sales, but not too much so that it would reduce the status of customers; we need some plausible deniability that the customers are buying a piece of art.

Indeed they basically made up the term "Erotic Romance novel" to game this.

Comment author: Lumifer 29 July 2014 04:02:01AM 2 points [-]

Porn is not limited to just images, of course. There is a lot of porn in the form of text.

The location of the boundary between soft and hard porn is an interesting question which probably does not have a single "correct" answer. I tend to think of hard porn as being interested exclusively in clinical detail and specific particulars while having little pretensions to being an art form. Soft porn is less single-minded and, um, less hard-edged.

I don't think that "just naked" vs "having sex" is a deciding factor.