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polymathwannabe comments on Ethics in a Feedback Loop: A Parable - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: polymathwannabe 25 July 2014 05:15:37PM 8 points [-]

Here are some partial attempts at a solution, ordered from the one I would support the most to the one I would support the least:

  • Recruit the subset of rare humans who enjoy green tickling and employ them as tickling punchbags for green Martians to practice on.
  • Make green Martians wear soft clothes that do not dampen their tentacles' sensitivity too much.
  • Use some medium (animals, dolls, androids) where green Martians can practice their tickling skills without harming anyone.
  • Find a way to chemically induce metamorphosis in green Martians.
  • Use plastic surgery, medications, or artificial selection to make green Martians' tentacles less stingy.
  • For parents and/or cell donors who are willing, find a way to engineer blue-born Martians.
  • Perform non-interventional, follow-up studies on elderly green Martians to assess the worth of a non-tickling life.
Comment author: B_For_Bandana 25 July 2014 07:05:43PM *  5 points [-]

Recruit the subset of rare humans who enjoy green tickling and employ them as tickling punchbags for green Martians to practice on.

The laws of Earth prohibit tickling for pay. Interestingly, the laws of Earth do not prohibit paying a Martian and a human actor to act as if the Martian is zapping the human's brain with a ray gun (which in real life is way worse than tickling, even by a green Martian, and which no humans or Martians actually enjoy doing) and then selling the video. It's weird. [ETA: I misunderstood the analogy. Doing experiments on the mothership for pay is illegal. Tickling for pay is legal in theory, but it would seem weird to most people, so it usually isn't done.]

Your other solutions are worth trying. However, I notice that most of them are blunt physical solutions that depend crucially on tickling being a very simple physical action that we have the technology to modify, and not, say, a stand-in for an interlocking set of horrifyingly complicated social problems involving desire, fear, pain, status, envy, humiliation, hope, joy, resentment, contempt, shame, and, oh yeah, politics. Lucky we're just talking about tickling.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 25 July 2014 07:15:20PM 1 point [-]

I think I get what tickling is supposed to be a metaphor for, but I'm clueless as to what the human and two Martian factions represent.

Comment author: PeerGynt 25 July 2014 07:22:11PM *  4 points [-]

OK, I really would prefer that this discussion stays on the abstract level, but in order to avoid confusion, I will provide a translation of the intended metaphors:

Green Martian = Low Status Male

Blue Martian = High Status Male

Earthling = Female

Tickling = Flirting (Including obnoxious strategies such as "negs" and "kino escalation")

The moderately painful sting of the tentacles of the Green Martian = Creepiness, Social Awkwardness, etc

Experimentation on Earthlings (defined in comments) = Sex

Comment author: Lumifer 25 July 2014 08:30:07PM 4 points [-]

You should have set this up between Martians and Venusians :-)

Otherwise, I don't think that practicing tickling is the main way for changing the color from Green to Blue.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 July 2014 08:42:24PM 4 points [-]

Otherwise, I don't think that practicing tickling is the main way for changing the color from Green to Blue.

Silver can make you blue!

Comment author: Lumifer 25 July 2014 08:45:52PM 1 point [-]

A valid point :-D

Comment author: [deleted] 25 July 2014 08:26:53PM 0 points [-]

OK, I had slightly misunderstood it. I'm retracting the comments based on the misunderstanding.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 July 2014 08:18:51PM 0 points [-]

The laws of Earth prohibit tickling for pay.

The laws of some countries of Earth prohibit tickling for pay. In other countries it's perfectly legal (but you may be required to have your tentacles periodically screened for infectious diseases).

Comment author: Manfred 25 July 2014 11:29:54PM 1 point [-]

I agree that in the object-level case, the best solution is probably a fairly simple technology. So, more ideas!

  • A thin layer behind the ears that prevents pain/euphoria from tickling.
  • Community college classes on tickling.
  • Economic transactions.
  • Drugs that satisfy Martians and reduce the desire for tickling.
  • Drugs for humans that make them not experience pain from tickling.
Comment author: Lumifer 26 July 2014 01:14:01AM 2 points [-]

Drugs for humans that make them not experience pain from tickling.

Aka alcohol or E

X-D

Comment author: Manfred 26 July 2014 02:25:57AM 4 points [-]

I don't think this allegory is good enough for me to endorse further analogizing. Like, people have complicated internal motivations for drinking that look almost nothing like "this will numb the pain when socially awkward people try to talk to me."

Comment author: [deleted] 26 July 2014 07:32:51PM 6 points [-]

But do look like "this will make me less socially awkward".