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Azathoth123 comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, July 2014, chapter 102 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 26 July 2014 11:05:38PM 4 points [-]

How many billion people would be better off if allowed to immigrate to GB?

Utilitarianism is about counting everyone's utility the same. "Shut up and multiply" - where multiply is the number of people, not a weighting factor for how much you give a shit about them. That weighting factor should be 1 for all.

Not that I'm a utilitarian. But a libertarian utilitarian would have his work cut out for him to overcome the basic tenets of non initiation of force and weighing everyone's utility equally to justify limiting immigration.

Comment author: Azathoth123 27 July 2014 12:05:15AM *  4 points [-]

How many billion people would be better off if allowed to immigrate to GB?

This is just another version of the utilitarian argument for redistributive taxation and has a similar problem. Hint: consider what it is about GB that makes it such a more desirable place then the immigrants' home countries and how that difference comes about.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 27 July 2014 10:23:14AM 2 points [-]

This is just another version of the utilitarian argument...

Yes, that's my point. Open borders in general is supported by utilitarianism.

No need to try to convince me that utilitarianism has it's failings, I've been on board that ship for a long time.

Comment author: Azathoth123 28 July 2014 03:20:33AM 6 points [-]

My point is that a libertarian utilitarian can see the flaws in the naive utilitarian argument for redistribution. The naive utilitarian argument for open borders has similar flaws.