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Viliam_Bur comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, July 2014, chapter 102 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Sophronius 01 August 2014 02:27:59PM *  0 points [-]

Yea, I was quite surprised to find that Quirrell believes in continuity of consciousness as being a fundamental problem, since it really is just an illusion to begin with (though you could argue the illusion itself is worthwhile). Surely you could just kill yourself the moment your horcrux does its job if you're worried about your other self living on? But maybe he doesn't know that scientifically there's no such thing as identity. Or maybe he's lying. Personally, I would be MUCH more concerned about the fact that the horcrux implants memories, but does not replace personality. But for some reason Quirrel does not mention that as the obvious drawback.

(I was also surprised that Eliezer seems to buy in the obviously false notion that "the opposite of love is indifference")

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 02 August 2014 11:31:20PM *  2 points [-]

the obviously false notion that "the opposite of love is indifference"

Perhaps the word "opposite" is not the best one, but I think it's about this: in some metric, loving people and hating people is closer to each other than either of them is to the paperclip maximizer's attitude towards humans. In HPMOR universe, a magical paperclip maximizer could shoot AK like a machine gun. Instead of replacing one emotion with another emotion, it's replacing one emotion with an absence of an emotion.

Instinctively, people sometimes prefer to be hated than to be ignored. For example, children trying to draw attention to themselves by behaving badly. There is some "recognition" in hate, that indifference lacks.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 August 2014 04:05:57PM 0 points [-]

Instinctively, people sometimes prefer to be hated than to be ignored. ... There is some "recognition" in hate, that indifference lacks.

Relevant.

Comment author: Velorien 03 August 2014 04:12:52PM *  1 point [-]

Please warn when you are linking to a post with an unmarked major spoiler for another novel (or two).