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Comment author: Azathoth123 01 September 2014 03:08:51AM 7 points [-]

That theory is a textbook example of burdensome details.

So Freud was correct if you ignore the details of what he said and steelman the hell out of what he "meant".

Mind composed of multiple agents;

The idea of the mind being composed of multiple components has been around for all of recorded history. Granted it wasn't phrased as multiple "agents", but Freud didn't phrase it that way either.

people often motivated by sex even when they deny it;

Yes, people sometimes deny their true motivations. However, the specific claim that these secret motivation is almost always sexual is still not clear today, and probably false.

human mind not well adapted to civilization;

If this is meant to refer to his theory of psychological repression. It's become clear that he's way of stating that wasn't a good idea. Certainly worse that the traditional way of stating that, namely that children need to be taught to like good things and dislike bad things.

religion as institutionalized neurosis.

Well, the attempts at creating states without this neurosis created even more neurotic states, but I suppose you already knew that.

Comment author: chaosmage 09 September 2014 01:18:39PM 1 point [-]

The idea of the mind being composed of multiple components has been around for all of recorded history.

I dispute that. There is evidence that some cultures had concepts of multiple souls; the Ancient Egyptians and Inuit come to mind. But Greek and post-Greek philosophy and the Abrahamic religions firmly established the idea that humans have a single indivisible ("monadic") soul in all the cultures they pervaded, and that very much includes 19th century Vienna.

So you might say components models of the mind existed, but they certainly weren't "around". Freud might have heard of the Ancient Egyptian concept of the soul but it certainly wasn't something a mainstream scientist could have referred to to credibilitize his theory.

Comment author: gwern 09 September 2014 09:07:02PM 7 points [-]

But Greek and post-Greek philosophy and the Abrahamic religions firmly established the idea that humans have a single indivisible ("monadic") soul in all the cultures they pervaded

Which is why one of the mot commonly read Platonic dialogues, The Republic had a famous treatment of the psyche as being three parts with not a little resemblance to the id/ego/superego, and his student Aristotle has a hierarchy of faculties?

Comment author: [deleted] 09 September 2014 04:07:42PM 2 points [-]

BTW, FWIW IIRC Dante Alighieri in the Divine Comedy claimed that the soul was indivisible and pointed to inattentional blindness as evidence for that.