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Comment author: ChristianKl 28 August 2014 11:06:15AM 2 points [-]

Irresponsibility is something very different than irrationality.

Do you judge postmodernists because their tribe does things that you don't like or do you judge them because you think the average postmodernist would score less on a proper Rationality Quotient test than members of other tribes?

If you really think that they would score less on a Rationality Quotient test it should be possible for you to make predictions about the effect size in numbers. You are free to set your error bars as wide as you wish or chose another tribe to compare than analytical philosophers if you think there's a better comparison.

Did you read about the Sokal affair? It says something of the level of irrationality and intellectual irresponsibility.

Right, finding a single anecdote where members of a tribe that you don't like failed is a rational way to assess the general rationality of the average member of that tribe.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 September 2014 02:16:26AM -1 points [-]

Right, finding a single anecdote where members of a tribe that you don't like failed is a rational way to assess the general rationality of the average member of that tribe.

Keep in mind the editors of Social Text did not believe Sokal's article was actually sound philosophy. Not understanding it, they preferred to give it the benefit of the doubt. The only thing that Sokal was able to trick them into believing was that the article was intended to be sound philosophy.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 09 September 2014 01:32:35PM 5 points [-]

Keep in mind the editors of Social Text did not believe Sokal's article was actually sound philosophy. Not understanding it, they preferred to give it the benefit of the doubt.

That's like excusing oneself from causing a car crash on the grounds of being drunk.

Comment author: chaosmage 09 September 2014 01:23:53PM 2 points [-]

Keep in mind the editors of Social Text did not believe Sokal's article was actually sound philosophy. Not understanding it, they preferred to give it the benefit of the doubt.

We only know that's what they said afterwards.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 September 2014 05:14:41PM 0 points [-]

By the same argument, we only know it was intended to be a hoax because Sokal said so afterward....

Comment author: chaosmage 10 September 2014 08:37:41AM *  3 points [-]

Sokal is a physicist, and a publication like this would have been a major embarassment inside his field. So he had no choice not to disclose the hoax before anyone else (who maybe didn't get the joke) would have commented.