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Comment author: MaximumLiberty 02 September 2014 06:14:35PM 1 point [-]

I think there is a fatalistic prayer to that effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer. It kind of depends on how you read it, though.

Max L.

Comment author: Raemon 02 September 2014 09:34:17PM *  5 points [-]

I actually think the Serenity Prayer is pretty valuable and wish it were reclaimed in some fashion.

There are things you can't change, and if you don't accept that you're going to spend your life being miserable. There are also things you can change but which look impossible at first glance, and learning to recognize when you can change things is super important. (As is having courage to do so, when appropriate)

The fact that wisdom is hardest, and is the final note that the prayer emphasizes, is significant to me.

Comment author: Vaniver 02 September 2014 09:43:23PM *  6 points [-]

I actually think the Serenity Prayer is pretty valuable and wish it were reclaimed in some fashion.

So, one option is to take one of the precursors, like Epictetus's:

Make the best use of what is in your power, and take the rest as it happens. Some things are up to us and some things are not up to us. Our opinions are up to us, and our impulses, desires, aversions-in short, whatever is our own doing. Our bodies are not up to us, nor are our possessions, our reputations, or our public offices, or, that is, whatever is not our own doing

But, obviously, this is not optimized for actually repeating it. The Mother Goose rhyme is optimized for repeating:

For every ailment under the sun There is a remedy, or there is none; If there be one, try to find it; If there be none, never mind it.

but seems less on point (it seems to help to specifically call out serenity, courage, and wisdom).

One could just modify the front:

May I have the serenity to accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the one from the other

Comment author: Raemon 03 September 2014 04:52:57AM 4 points [-]

I just went with the "modify the front" version, which I think works fine. Anything more accurate loses more potency than its worth IMO.

Comment author: Unnamed 03 September 2014 07:13:52PM *  5 points [-]

The Serenity Prayer was posted as a rationality quote here and discussed. A few possible modifications were suggested, including this one from Mass_Driver:

Friends, help me build the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to continually update which is which based on the best available evidence.

Comment author: MaximumLiberty 03 September 2014 02:22:39PM 3 points [-]

I think the words are right. My problem with it is that I associate it with people who use it as an excuse to give up. They focus on the idea that they can't change much of anything, so have to accept it. If I were to change it, I would treat the idea that I can't change something as a claim requiring positive proof and being subject to regular challenge. (I'd also filter it for things about which I care and things about which I don't care. But that's kind of beside the point.)

Max L.

Comment author: Capla 02 September 2014 09:33:41PM 1 point [-]

The link didn't work. You ended your sentence with a period but it was included in the URL.

Is this what you meant?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer