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Azathoth123 comments on "NRx" vs. "Prog" Assumptions: Locating the Sources of Disagreement Between Neoreactionaries and Progressives (Part 1) - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Azathoth123 10 September 2014 12:33:00AM *  3 points [-]

Something like that, except modern progressives are uncomfortable with it because the Enlightenment consisted mostly of dead white men.

Comment author: MathiasZaman 10 September 2014 09:05:01AM -1 points [-]

That's like saying that modern progressives are against airplanes because they were invented by dead white man. Progressives don't actually hold it against white men that they are white or men.

It's easier to think about stuff (such as: How should the world work?) if you are in a position of power. It's completely reasonable that the Enlightenment consisted mostly of white men, since those were the people with the access to education, the time to think and the ability to publish ideas. Progressives don't ignore past power-structures. They might not agree with them, but that's something else entirely.

(I don't think that single comment is a great example to generalize from.)

Comment author: Azathoth123 11 September 2014 02:54:59AM *  7 points [-]

That's like saying that modern progressives are against airplanes because they were invented by dead white man.

There's probably some progressive at some university (probably in some grievance studies department) writing about how we need a feminist and non-racist theory of aerodynamics.

It's easier to think about stuff (such as: How should the world work?) if you are in a position of power. It's completely reasonable that the Enlightenment consisted mostly of white men, since those were the people with the access to education, the time to think and the ability to publish ideas. Progressives don't ignore past power-structures. They might not agree with them, but that's something else entirely.

Yes, I agree that's a reasonable argument, although there's still the question of why nobody outside Europe developed it. It didn't stop progressives from removing the western canon from university education on the grounds that it was all "dead white men".

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 11 September 2014 05:40:56AM *  6 points [-]

There's probably some progressive at some university (probably in some grievance studies department) writing about how we need a feminist and non-racist theory of aerodynamics.

Well, aerodynamics is based on Newtonian mechanics, and Newton's principa mathematica is a rape manual, and aeroplanes are kinda phallic.

Comment author: ChristianKl 18 September 2014 10:42:09PM 0 points [-]

It didn't stop progressives from removing the western cannon from university education on the grounds that it was all "dead white men".

To be fair, the Western cannon doesn't have a good reputation on LW either.

Comment author: Azathoth123 19 September 2014 01:02:03AM 0 points [-]

By "Western cannon" I mean the cultural currents that lead to things like science. What do you mean by it?

Comment author: Dorikka 19 September 2014 01:25:21AM 2 points [-]

I think that he is alluding to your spelling of "canon" as "cannon"

Comment author: Azathoth123 19 September 2014 01:48:40AM 3 points [-]

Thanks, fixed.