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Comment author: lmm 15 September 2014 09:17:22PM *  8 points [-]

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Politically, the traditional left is broadly correct.

Comment author: iceman 15 September 2014 10:26:53PM 3 points [-]

Correct meaning what? I'm interpreting "the traditional left" as a value system instead of a set of statements about the world.

Comment author: lmm 16 September 2014 09:54:56PM 3 points [-]

Correct meaning that we would prefer the outcomes of their policy suggestions to the outcomes of other policies, or I guess generically that their values are an effective mechanism for generating good policies.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 September 2014 09:50:14PM 3 points [-]

"Traditional" left meaning what? Communism? Socialism? Democrats?

Comment author: lmm 16 September 2014 10:01:24PM 7 points [-]

Traditional as in not the radical left or any post-neocon positions. Socialism. Approximately the position of the leftmost of the two biggest political parties in a typical western-european country.

Comment author: Salemicus 19 September 2014 09:31:32PM 2 points [-]

In the typical Western-European country, the leftmost of the two parties has abandoned Socialism and instead espouses the politics of Social Democracy or the Third Way.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 16 September 2014 03:36:00AM 0 points [-]

The Old Left of labor unionism? The New Left of student activism?

Comment author: BrassLion 16 September 2014 10:41:14PM 0 points [-]

I downvoted you because I mostly agree - depending on how broadly you mean broadly. I suspect this is a not uncommon position here, and I would not even be surprised if it were a plurality position.

Comment author: lmm 16 September 2014 10:56:58PM 5 points [-]

That's fine. In some recent threads I've taken what I felt was a mainstream if leftist position, written (IMO) reasonable, positive arguments - and been downvoted for it, to the extent that I'm entertaining the hypothesis that LW is full of libertarians who are strongly opposed to such views. Confirming that out one way or the other is useful information.

Comment author: Prismattic 18 September 2014 04:01:52AM 2 points [-]

I also have the general impression that in the past few months there has been an uptick of uncharitable tinman-attacks on progressivism by libertarians in the LW comment threads. Curiously, there seems to be less overt hostility between reactionaries and progressives, even though they're much further apart than libertarians and progressives (although this might be because the more hostile Nrx were more likely to exit after the creation of Moreright).

Comment author: FiftyTwo 21 September 2014 12:56:55AM 0 points [-]

I've had the same feeling. I suspect there are loud reactionary and libertarian minorities and a large number of liberal quiet people