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The notion of freedom is incoherent. People would be better off abandoning the pursuit of it.
What do you think of Free Will Is as Real as Baseball?
I think it's arguing a level below where I'm coming from (though possibly there's some self-similarity here).
I think it isn't. Which makes the rest of the page true but irrelevant.
Freedom meaning what?
Free choice? I don't believe in that.
The right to make any choice which doesn't impair the choices of others? I strongly agree with that.
I think both are unhelpful.
Where does the incoherence lie?
The way freedom is usually formulated, in the notion of free will or free choices.
This is frustrating: I think I can argue against the standard argument of he incoherence of FW...but you haven't given it...or any other,
To make sure I'm getting this right: is this the school of anti-freedom where the notion of moral responsibility is also deemed incoherent?
I would also consider the notion of moral responsibility incoherent. It's not obvious to me that these positions have a common basis.
The latter derives from the former:
If my actions are spontaneous and uncaused, I'm not responsible for them.
If my actions are mechanically determined by atoms in my brain, I'm not responsible for them.