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Comment author: VAuroch 17 September 2014 04:45:24AM 3 points [-]

I consider this an incoherent claim. "A neuter pronoun", inherently, is one that can be applied to individuals regardless of gender (actual or grammatical). That's what people want when they wish English had a neuter pronoun. 'He/him/his' is not such a pronoun. "They/them/their" is.

Comment author: Ixiel 17 September 2014 11:05:58AM 6 points [-]

Nope. "Of all the men and women here, one will prove his worth" is grammatical and does not imply a man IMO. I'm not defining myself right of course, just clarifying why my contrarian claim is coherent.

Comment author: VAuroch 18 September 2014 03:48:31AM 2 points [-]

That was historically true, but many women and nonbinary people disagree with the statement that it is still true. And it was never neuter; it used to be the case that using male pronouns for an unspecified person was grammatically valid.

Comment author: Ixiel 18 September 2014 10:55:35AM 1 point [-]

You are exactly right on technical use of "neuter." Fixed, and thank you.

What is a nonbinary person in the sense you are using it, apart from a subset of non-women? I can't get use from context. Just for curiosity, and probably off topic so pm if exactly one person cares.

If I thought everybody agreed it wouldn't be contrarian now would it?

Comment author: VAuroch 19 September 2014 05:03:47AM *  1 point [-]

Nonbinary people consider themselves neither male nor female, both male and female, male and female individually but at different times, or any other vector combination of genders besides {1,0} and {0,1}; naturally, they are all transgender. They're fairly uncommon, largely because the idea that identifying as nonbinary is not available to the vast majority of people and would be stigmatized if they did choose to adopt it.

Comment author: Ixiel 19 September 2014 11:38:58AM 1 point [-]

Huh, interesting. I had never heard of that, thank you.

Comment author: Khoth 18 September 2014 10:09:08PM 0 points [-]

How about "every married person should love his husband or wife"?