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Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 19 September 2014 07:46:29AM 2 points [-]

What cross-section of humanity are you familiar with?

Comment author: lmm 19 September 2014 09:08:50AM 0 points [-]

Familiar with? Using the most obvious definition I'd say only my girlfriend.

Due to where I live I have neighbours from a wide variety of races and religions and mostly a different class from the people I grew up with, which is different again from the class I work in now. I haven't lived for any substantial time in a different country. Does that answer your question?

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 20 September 2014 03:52:55AM 2 points [-]

So you know there are these people called "hipsters" who take pride in showing off their deviance and compete with one another to be deviant in interesting and original ways, right? Do you know many of them?

Comment author: lmm 20 September 2014 09:59:55AM 1 point [-]

And everyone loves hipsters, right? Fellow hipsters of course support each other, but the wider world has nothing but respect and admiration for these people. Satisfying everyone's values would certainly mean there were more hipsters around and that hipsters were encouraged to be even more hipster-ey.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 21 September 2014 06:07:24AM *  1 point [-]

Well, hipsters often like each other and they are a decently large faction. Also, I think hipsters might be disliked because they are overly intentional about being deviant ("I was in to them before they were cool" as a way to try to one-up someone, etc.)

Comment author: Azathoth123 20 September 2014 07:03:33PM -1 points [-]

Yet the wider world still tends to assign them high status.

Comment author: lmm 21 September 2014 12:47:14PM *  1 point [-]

I don't think that's true. To my eyes hipsters are this generation's nouveau riche; people who have money and some kind of status, but don't conform to upper-class tastes. The wealth and status precedes the hipsterism, it doesn't derive from it.

Comment author: Azathoth123 21 September 2014 08:41:34PM 1 point [-]

Well previous generations' nouveau riche had better taste.

Comment author: Lumifer 21 September 2014 09:08:14PM 2 points [-]

Well previous generations' nouveau riche had better taste.

Not from the point of view of the previous generation X-)