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Lumifer comments on Open thread, September 15-21, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 17 September 2014 03:45:20PM *  0 points [-]

I don't see much difference between a human body grown in a vat and one grown in a womb.

But, generally speaking, in the context of wireheading the somatic component matters.

Comment author: hyporational 17 September 2014 04:02:32PM 0 points [-]

Does it matter to you because of semantic or moral reasons? I fail to see any moral difference in living in a virtual world as a meat brain vs living in a virtual world as a silicon brain. The semantic difference is obvious.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 September 2014 04:06:45PM 0 points [-]

It matters for practical reasons. Self as an "information pattern" is an abstraction and abstractions do not exist in reality.

Comment author: hyporational 17 September 2014 04:09:40PM 0 points [-]

Do fluids and solids exist in reality?

Comment author: Lumifer 17 September 2014 04:19:43PM 0 points [-]

Things with particular properties exist in reality, their categorization (e.g. into fluids and solids ) does not.

Comment author: hyporational 17 September 2014 04:26:46PM 0 points [-]

I suppose brains or selves don't exist in reality either. I'm not sure what we're getting at here. So where are categories then, if they don't exist in reality?

Comment author: Lumifer 17 September 2014 04:41:30PM 0 points [-]

I suppose brains or selves don't exist in reality either.

Brains certainly do :-)

So where are categories then, if they don't exist in reality?

In your mind.

Comment author: hyporational 17 September 2014 04:51:23PM *  0 points [-]

I'm pretty sure brain is a category too. Certainly more so than fluid or solid.