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gjm comments on Open thread, September 22-28, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: gjm 23 September 2014 11:31:43PM 9 points [-]

It is not at all clear that Eugine achieved his objective. One thing he certainly achieved was to get kicked ignominiously out of the Less Wrong community, which I'm guessing wasn't an objective. (though I have seen speculation that he has returned under a different name).

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 September 2014 12:32:18PM 0 points [-]

(though I have seen speculation that he has returned under a different name).

Which doesn't mean that the new account doesn't also get deleted and we will be more careful the next time around. It's just that processes on LW take time.

Comment author: gjm 24 September 2014 12:49:52PM 2 points [-]

For the avoidance of doubt, I agree and wasn't at all intending to suggest that if Eugine is back then kicking him out didn't accomplish anything, or that if he's back and behaving in the same way that got him thrown out the first time it's in any way worrying that he hasn't been re-expelled yet.

(I do think that if it turns out he's back and doing the same things that got him thrown out before, the moderators should dial up the disincentives this time around. Block LW access from his IP address, reverse every vote he ever cast, that sort of thing.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 September 2014 01:45:00PM 2 points [-]

he's back and behaving in the same way that got him thrown out the first time it's in any way worrying that he hasn't been re-expelled yet.

Back in days where I was moderating a forum, rebanning a reregistered person might have taken a week and not months. Given the amount of time I spent on LW I wouldn't have expected that it takes me that long but then I'm not thinking anymore with the moderator hat.

Block LW access from his IP address

That doesn't accomplish anything given the availability of proxies. Expect maybe being an insult in his perceived lack of IT knowledge.

reverse every vote he ever cast, that sort of thing

That needs someone to write the necessary code.

Comment author: gjm 24 September 2014 04:06:11PM 4 points [-]

I'm all for insulting people who abuse the system :-). And for putting trivial inconveniences in their way, if nontrivial ones are too difficult.

And presumably, indeed, reversing all someone's votes isn't currently supported by whatever LW admin tools there are, and implementing that feature would be a non-negligible cost to weigh against the ability to disincentivize abuse in that way.

(For the avoidance of ambiguity: I meant "undo", not "reverse the sign of". It would be quite amusing to reverse the sign of all someone's votes as a punishment for abuse, but I can think of more than one reason why it probably wouldn't be a good idea.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 September 2014 08:50:40PM 1 point [-]

People switching IP addresses makes it harder to track that they are reregistering, so it's usually no smart move to force this behavior.