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Comment author: [deleted] 06 October 2014 10:01:16PM *  0 points [-]

As a prequel to wiring my article, I looked into studies of UAPs. None of these studies concluded that all investigated UAP's turns out to be either known phenomena, or solely unidentifiable due to insufficient observation data. All studies show that a minor percentage of UAPs resist identification (between 5 and 20 percent).

Thus we cannot say that we currently have a scientific understanding of all aerial phenomena.

When this is combined with Fermi's paradox, how come we don't conclude that we should study them some more?

Comment author: Jiro 06 October 2014 10:23:19PM *  1 point [-]

If there's any inaccuracy in the reporting, any mundane event can "resist identification". Eyewitnesses are not as accurate as most people think they are.

And while you claim that ones that have insufficient observation data were excluded, I'll believe it when I see a study, because that can mean a lot of things. (If there is enough information to rule out causes X and Y, but not Z or A, is that 'insufficient observation data'? What if they ruled out all sorts of causes but didn't rule out the possibility of, say, a hoax?)

Comment author: [deleted] 08 October 2014 11:30:29AM 0 points [-]

I applaud looking at the studies. I included references to 7 studies and 4 case collections (including one collection solely of radar backed observations) in the References section of my article:

http://myinnerouterworldsimulator.neocities.org/index.html

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 08 October 2014 12:48:04PM *  4 points [-]

P(A | B) is not equal to 1 - p(A | not B). You are thinking p(A | B) = 1 - p(not A | B). Example:

p(A=0,B=0) = 0.1, p(A=0,B=1) = 0.2, p(A=1,B=0) = 0.3, p(A=1,B=1) = 0.4.

p(A=0 | B=0) = p(A=0,B=0) / ( p(A=1,B=0) + p(A=0,B=0) ) = 0.1 / (0.3+0.1) = 0.1/0.4 = 1/4

p(A=0 | B=1) = p(A=0,B=1) / ( p(A=0,B=1) + p(A=1,B=1) ) = 0.2 / (0.2+0.4) = 0.2/0.6 = 2/6 = 1/3

1/4 is not 1 - 1/3.


Someone else pointed this out already, are you updating on basic math errors?

Comment author: [deleted] 08 October 2014 10:51:03PM *  1 point [-]

I am aware of the error and will correct it - it's on my todo list :)

[EDIT] fixed! (hopefully!)

http://myinnerouterworldsimulator.neocities.org/

Comment author: Lumifer 07 October 2014 12:31:32AM 0 points [-]

Hint: what happened to UFO sightings once everyone started to carry a high-resolution camera (in a smartphone) with them at all times?

Comment author: [deleted] 08 October 2014 11:22:10PM 1 point [-]

Did you investigate what happened?

Comment author: Lumifer 09 October 2014 12:16:12AM 0 points [-]

What happened is that UFO sightings basically disappeared. Turns out it's much harder to talk about seeing UFOs when you can't answer the question "So, why didn't you take a picture with your phone?"

Comment author: [deleted] 09 October 2014 08:36:17AM *  4 points [-]

references?

[edit]: This graph shows the frequency of reported UFO sightings inn Canada over the last 25 years. There is a steady increase in sightings over the years:

http://www.canadianuforeport.com/survey/images/ttlreports2013.gif

The graph originates from this survey: http://survey.canadianuforeport.com/

conducted by the Canadian astronomer Chris A. Rutkowski and non-astronomer Geoff Dittman

Comment author: Lumifer 09 October 2014 02:42:23PM 2 points [-]

Hmm, interesting. Looks like I was wrong.