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Yvain comments on 2014 Less Wrong Census/Survey - Call For Critiques/Questions - Less Wrong Discussion

18 Post author: Yvain 11 October 2014 06:39AM

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Comment author: Yvain 12 October 2014 03:36:09AM 3 points [-]

How would you handle this?

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 12 October 2014 05:04:09AM *  1 point [-]

Socialism - workers own the means of production. (Although according to Wikipedia, "There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.")

Communism - No markets/the state determines what is produced.

Comment author: Emile 12 October 2014 09:34:34AM 8 points [-]

That definition of "socialism" conflicts with the platforms of parties caling themselves "socialist", which is probably what most people using that label have in mind.

Comment author: Sarunas 12 October 2014 11:47:25AM *  4 points [-]

There are other confusing things in the survey draft, for example, UK Labour party, which is used as example of liberalism (in the American sense), is affiliated with the Party of European Socialists, the exact same group the Swedish Social Democratic Party (which, I suppose, is used as an example of socialism) also belongs to. Which group do other PES-affiliated parties belong to? Am I correct that by making categories "liberalism" and "socialism", Scott tried to capture the distinction between "mainstream centre-left" and "those that are further to the left than mainstream centre-left" (e.g. GUE/NGL group)? Although I might be unfamiliar with whether left wing people themselves perceive this as an important distinction. I would be very surprised if ~30 percent of LWers self identified as socialists in "workers own the means of production" sense rather than "voting for a PES-affiliated (or equivalent) party" sense.

Comment author: Azathoth123 12 October 2014 07:15:49PM 2 points [-]

Just because two parties affiliate doesn't mean they are pursuing identical policies.

Comment author: lmm 12 October 2014 05:45:29PM 1 point [-]

If this is intended as a question about existing political clusters, then I think you should merge the "Liberal" and "Socialist" options; I don't think people see them as separate positions (at least in my country) in the same way as Conservative/Libertarian.

If this is really just a question about the left-right economic axis, then let's make it one, viz:

"Which of the following most closely describes your position on economic freedom vs. wealth redistribution?"

  • Extreme economic liberal, e.g. US Libertarian Party: minimal/no taxes, no redistribution of wealth
  • Moderate economic liberal, e.g. US Republican Party or UK Tories: low taxes, low redistribution of wealth
  • Moderate economic progressive, e.g. US Democrats or UK Labour party: high taxes, high redistribution of wealth
  • Extreme economic progressive, e.g. (I don't know, UK Lib Dem?): high taxes, major redistribution of wealth
Comment author: Emile 12 October 2014 08:48:39PM 1 point [-]

I think you should merge the "Liberal" and "Socialist" options; I don't think people see them as separate positions (at least in my country)

Here in France, "liberal" is a slur used by left-wingers against anybody suspected of liking the free market (there used to be right-wing politicians claiming that label, I haven't seen any in the recent elections)