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Comment author: hyporational 18 October 2014 08:36:17PM 0 points [-]

In the context of my reply, I mean an action to a recipient that is, as I said, no benefit, or even a sacrifice, to the giver.

So would you consider altruistic pleasure as a benefit?

Comment author: Brillyant 18 October 2014 11:47:12PM 0 points [-]

Sure. I think so. Doesn't evolution make many altruistic actions pleasurable?

Comment author: 27chaos 19 October 2014 06:25:22PM *  0 points [-]

What predictions might you make about human behavior that someone who believed in altruism would not?

My impression is that when people say they believe altruism exists, they mean that they believe people derive pleasure from altruistic behavior. There are some people like Kantians who might be imagining something else and I agree that version of altruism is wrong. But I think that view of altruism is a minority one.

Let's imagine a computer simulation that has various organisms. Some of these organisms are programmed to sacrifice their own lives for the lives of others in their area who have no genetic relationship at all. Is it accurate to describe the behavior of these organisms as altruistic?

Are you aware that group selection has come back into scientific acceptability since the 80s? The original experiments assumed static populations, but when you allow populations to have varying growth rates group selectionism does much much better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_selection