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Comment author: Azathoth123 22 October 2014 02:01:39AM -2 points [-]

In my view, it's always so hard to tell what was truly "botched". Further, how can we know what level of influence the President has in such cases where something actually was botched?

Compare his performance with other presidents.

Comment author: Pfft 26 October 2014 07:48:18PM 1 point [-]

All the "botches" suggested above are one-off affairs, there are no similar episodes to compare to.

Comment author: Azathoth123 27 October 2014 12:05:02AM -1 points [-]

Are you saying earlier presidents never had opportunities to botch things?

Comment author: Pfft 27 October 2014 01:15:16AM *  3 points [-]

For any president, you can write down a list of bad things that happened, or policy initiatives that did not turn out well. But it's hard to know if that is due to the sitting president being unusually bad, or just the circumstances being unusually bad. E.g. Obamacare has various flaws compared to an ideal health care system, and it would have been better if the websites had worked on schedule. But on the other hand Obama actually managed to pass some kind of universal health care (something that illustrious names like Clinton and Ted Kennedy had tried and failed). So does that mean that Obama is a bad health-care reformer, or an exceptionally good one? It's hard to know, because we can't contrafactually plonk down Abraham Lincoln in the 2008 White House chair and see how he will perform.

Comment author: Azathoth123 29 October 2014 03:39:45AM -2 points [-]

Obamacare has various flaws compared to an ideal health care system,

The key problem is that it's worse then the system that was in place before.

Comment author: Brillyant 22 October 2014 02:16:56AM 1 point [-]

How?

Lots of variables. And what sort of objective measure would you use?