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Comment author: iarwain1 20 October 2014 10:22:31PM *  5 points [-]

1) What course of study / degree program would you recommend to someone interested in (eventually) doing research for effective altruism or global priorities (e.g. Givewell, FHI, etc.)?

2) Are there other similar fields? Requirements: research, focused on rational decision-making, mostly or entirely altruistic

3) What are the job opportunities like in these fields?

Comment author: zedzed 20 October 2014 11:03:06PM 4 points [-]

Holden Karnofsky of Givewell discusses some of this in his EA summit talk. There's no simple answer, but a short one is "get big". Near as I can tell, the best way to do this is develop rare and valuable skills that interest you, a la So Good They Can't Ignore You.

Personally, I think math and computer science are good places to start. Both are rare and valuable (especially taken together). If you have aptitude and interest (as I estimate you do), start there. For math, step 1 is to get through calculus. You'll get different opinions for CS; I'm personally a fan of SICP, but that assumes calculus. Fortunately, we've compiled a list of programming resources.

And then things that strike your interest. I'm learning psychology, writing, and economics, not because I think they're the rarest or most valuable skills, but because they're at least somewhat uncommon and at least somewhat valuable and I really enjoy learning them, and the combination of math/CS/psych/writing/econ is sufficiently novel that I should be able to do useful things that wouldn't happen otherwise. Holden discusses reasons for choosing things that interest you/things you have aptitude for, rather than the most tractable problem, in the video linked above.

Good luck!

Comment author: ChristianKl 22 October 2014 10:28:41PM *  3 points [-]

It's at 1:15:00 in the summit talk. He lists three main criteria for people to choose what they do early in your career:

  • Personal Development Potential

  • Potential to make Contacts

  • Potential to gain power, status and freedom

Comment author: iarwain1 21 October 2014 01:25:04AM *  1 point [-]

Good links and thoughts, as usual.

step 1 is to get through calculus.

Working on it :). (To explain, zedzed is helping me study algebra with an aim to get through calculus. I'm on the last chapter of the textbook we're working through.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 20 October 2014 10:51:55PM 3 points [-]

If you look at the give well job description for a research analyst (http://www.givewell.org/about/jobs/research-analyst) it doesn't mention that GiveWell is interested that people who apply have a degree.

If that's where you want to go applying directly to GiveWell would be the straightforward course of action.

Given FHI's academic nature they probably do prefer people with degrees but I think FHI doesn't want specific degrees but wants to hire people with expertise that they currently don't have so they should be pretty open.

Comment author: So8res 28 October 2014 05:43:22PM 2 points [-]

Can "research" include heavy math?

Comment author: iarwain1 28 October 2014 07:17:26PM 1 point [-]

Yes, but preferably not only focused on heavy math.

Comment author: So8res 28 October 2014 09:07:21PM 2 points [-]

MIRI-style FAI research is pretty much only heavy math, but if you're interested in taking that track, PM me and I can get you resources.

Regardless, I applaud your motivation and am excited in your endeavor!

Comment author: iarwain1 28 October 2014 10:07:03PM 1 point [-]

I'm more interested in the type of research FHI / CSER does - a little less on the math, more on the philosophy / economics / decision theory aspects.