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army1987 comments on question: the 40 hour work week vs Silicon Valley? - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: [deleted] 27 October 2014 04:42:01PM *  1 point [-]

As a side note, what do you people do on your free time?

Off the top of my head, in very roughly decreasing order, sleeping, browsing the web, hanging out with friends at the pub, playing the bass, listening to music, having sex, studying languages, eating, cooking, going shopping, reading books, watching movies, sightseeing.

Unless you're letting your brain idly daydream much of what you do on your free time could be considered hard work by others.

Many of the things in my previous paragraph have very few people doing them for a living. And there are reasons for that.

Comment author: hyporational 27 October 2014 04:58:37PM -1 points [-]

I don't consider sleeping, cooking, eating or having sex free time, I consider them maintenance :)

Anyways my point is that most of the things you listed are definitely work for the brain, yet people don't think they affect your ability to be productive at work, since they're not something you're paid to do, which I don't think makes much sense.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 November 2014 05:46:28PM 1 point [-]

I don't consider ... eating ... free time, I consider them maintenance :)

If I mostly lived on Soylent or Mealsquares you'd have a point. Given that I often-ish go out to restaurants...

Anyways my point is that most of the things you listed are definitely work for the brain, yet people don't think they affect your ability to be productive at work, since they're not something you're paid to do, which I don't think makes much sense.

Well, not all the things on that list are the same: arguing that someone is wrong on the internet may drain my stamina almost as much as my paid job, but chatting over a beer occasionally glancing at the TV will drain my stamina almost as little as idly daydreaming -- possibly even less, depending on what I'm daydreaming about.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 October 2014 05:08:12PM 1 point [-]

It totally does. First, there are these effects, and second, as I said, there are reasons why they're not something you're paid to do.

Comment author: hyporational 27 October 2014 05:21:57PM *  -1 points [-]

there are reasons why they're not something you're paid to do.

I'm not paid to listen to music I like but I might need to be paid to listen to music you like. Same deal with browsing your websites, reading your books and watching your movies.

If you're enjoying your work and having your cached selves do most of it, what's the big deal with long hours? How will they impact your productivity, if having ridiculously meticulous conversations on your favorite website doesn't?

Comment author: [deleted] 08 November 2014 05:52:19PM *  1 point [-]

I'm not paid to listen to music I like but I might need to be paid to listen to music you like. Same deal with browsing your websites, reading your books and watching your movies.

Well, but the fact that it's the music I choose to listen to etc. means it doesn't drain my willpower as much. See also this.

If you're enjoying your work and having your cached selves do most of it,

Actually I meant the part of that post where if you pay someone to do something they'll enjoy doing it less.

what's the big deal with long hours?

Less time left to do the other things I mentioned? Certain things are terminal values; fiat currency isn't one of those. (Granted, I don't only do my current job for the cash, but I wouldn't spend as much time on it if I didn't need money.)