vaccination research/reading

freyley

Vaccination is probably one of the hardest topics to have a rational discussion about. I have some reason to believe that the author of http://whyarethingsthisway.com/2014/10/23/the-cdc-and-cargo-cult-science/ is someone interested in looking for the truth, not winning a side - at the very least, I'd like to help him when he says this:

I genuinely don’t want to do Cargo Cult Science so if anybody reading this knows of any citations to studies looking at the long term effects of vaccines and finding them benign or beneficial, please, be sure to post them in the comments.

I'm getting started on reading the actual papers, but I'm hoping this finds someone who's already done the work and wants to go post it on his site, or if not, someone else who's interested in looking through papers with me - I do better at this kind of work with social support.

I genuinely don’t want to do Cargo Cult Science so if anybody reading this knows of any citations to studies looking at the long term effects of vaccines and finding them benign or beneficial, please, be sure to post them in the comments.

You seem to be missing my primary point. Your reply and the part I quoted was:

Its a fact that the only RPC study I know of that injected a vaccine or a genuine placebo into children and followed their health (not whether they got some specific disease) for more than a few months, reported vaccine recipients got 4 times as many respiratory illnesses as placebo recipients.

Which as written seems oblivious to CellBioGuy actually discussing that very paper. You completely ignored it, which has to make me wonder how much of the rest of what he wrote you actually paid attention to.

I'm big on changing my mind. I changed my mind big time, from vaxxing my first two kids to understanding that was a huge mistake. I've changed my mind on many other important things too.

Take an outside view for a moment. A new account comes to a forum, claims that they changed their mind to some fringe position, and keeps arguing for that position, and does literally nothing else on the forum other than argue for that single position. How do you think people will interpret that?

I still don't understand your point. I responded to what he wrote. I said it was at best a bunch of theories. What part of it do you think has some basis in reality? Why should we trust it? BTW, I don't understand how the self reporting is even relevant, since the patients didn't know if they had a placebo. Even if all those explanations are true, does that mean the vaccine didn't damage the immune systems, given that in a blind experiment you got 4.4 times as much disease?

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