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Lumifer comments on November 2014 Media Thread - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 19 November 2014 02:50:03AM 4 points [-]

The standard progressive view seems to be that the stereotypes were based on the fundamental attribution error: attributing negative traits that a group has to their innate nature rather than to negative influences.

Not sure what is the "standard" progressive view, but the one I see a lot says that stereotypes are tools of oppression and domination.

Comment author: ilzolende 20 November 2014 12:47:15AM 3 points [-]

I'm sorry if this is a rude request, but I'm very new to the LW commenting process, so if anyone knows why my comments here were downvoted, I'd really appreciate it if that person would tell me, so I can improve my future participation on this site.

Thanks in advance!

Comment author: Lumifer 20 November 2014 02:05:05AM 4 points [-]

The request is not rude and actually fairly common (but is not guaranteed to bring responses).

Note that LW up/downvoting is a noisy process and you shouldn't attempt to find meaning in every single vote. Also, this.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 28 November 2014 07:31:43AM 1 point [-]

At the moment, all your comments seem to be net-upvoted, so there seems no evidence of a systematic objection to your participation. As I've observed elsewhere as well, comments that can be taken as supportive of progressive positions have lately garnered a few downvotes early on, which tend to get reversed by subsequent upvotes over the next few days. I wouldn't worry about it.

Comment author: ilzolende 19 November 2014 03:09:07AM 2 points [-]

I suppose there isn't really a standard progressive view, but I attend Young Democrats meetings, my school voted with something like a ⅔ majority for Obama in the last mock election, and I read newspapers and magazines that target a progressive audience, so I encounter a lot of progressive viewpoints.

I thought that the "tools of oppression and domination" was a reference to how stereotypes are used, not how they are formed. I don't really picture a bunch of people in positions of power deciding that the best method to oppress people was to assume insulting things about them, instead of, say, passing harmful legislation, so I assumed that other progressives would agree with me on that point.

Also, I wanted to discuss stereotype origins without using phrasing that made the originators of those stereotypes look immoral, because I thought that doing so would distract for advancedatheist from the point I was trying to make, so I shied away from that explanation.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 November 2014 03:18:58AM *  4 points [-]

I thought that the "tools of oppression and domination" was a reference to how stereotypes are used, not how they are formed.

If you are into that kind of thing, you can view stereotypes as soldiers in memetic warfare. If you want to win, you want to shape your soldiers and not just pick whichever ones happen to come along.