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shminux comments on Open thread, Nov. 3 - Nov. 9, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: shminux 10 November 2014 02:37:12AM *  2 points [-]

A right is a shortcut in consequentialism (or another normative ethics) turned into a lost purpose. Different rights can and do contradict each other, since they were derived in different circumstances. Thus you can argue for or against anything, by stretching the domain of validity of a suitable right. It all depends on how connected, influential and persuasive you are. Hence lawyers.

Comment author: Ritalin 10 November 2014 03:52:50AM 0 points [-]

What'd be the difference between that and an ethical injunction?

Comment author: shminux 10 November 2014 04:20:23AM 1 point [-]

I am not an ethics expert by any stretch, so I can only guess. It seems like the opposite of a right, restricting what you can do rather than enabling.

Comment author: Ritalin 10 November 2014 04:06:15PM 1 point [-]

They are two sides of the same coin. "The right to circulation" tells people "you can go wherever you want", and tells States "you can't demand a travel permit every time someone wants to move". "The right to live" tells people "you may go on living if you want" but also "you can't stop people from living if they don't consent to it". The freedom to do something restricts another person's ability to stop you from doing that.

Comment author: Azathoth123 15 November 2014 05:44:46AM 1 point [-]

Yes, this is correct.

Comment author: ChristianKl 10 November 2014 11:10:29AM 0 points [-]

Ethical injunctions aren't things that are argued in front of courts. Courts argue about rights.