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I don't even know what 20% means in this context. That 5 cows = 1 person? Not even a rabid vegan would probably claim that.
Pretty sure the unpacking goes like "I think it is 20% likely that a moral theory is 'true' (I'm interpreting 'true' as "what I would agree on after perfect information and time to grow and reflect") in which hurting cows is as morally bad as hurting humans."
Right, sure. but does it not follow that, if you average over all possible worlds, 5 cows have the same moral worth as 1 human?
I personally know at least one rabid vegan for whom 1 cow > 1 person.
Why ">" and not "="? Is this true for other animals too or are cows special?
Well... the example ran away like this: "If there was a fire and I was given the option of saving just the cow or just the person, I would save the cow". Presumably it would be the same with a pig or a dog.
This is a trasposed version of the trolley situation: 'I would not actively kill any human, but given the choice, I consider a cow to be more valuable'.
The motivating reason was something on the line of "humans are inherently evil, while animals are incapable of evil".
Tentative guess: Humans are considered to have negative value because (among other things) they kill cows (carbon footprint, etc)
Also they might just not be rational.
Kill them all.
I've seen it argued.
Notably by Agent Smith from the Matrix.
People who argue this can start with themselves.
I think there's a pretty solid case for that being a non-optimal solution, even if you've bought all their other premises. (There's not enough of them for a single or even mass suicides to inspire other people to do so, and then they'd just lose the longterm memetic war)
I am quite confident of this result, anyway. Actually, I don't see any chances for a memetic war at all, never mind long-term X-)