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Comment author: Capla 14 November 2014 02:31:59PM 0 points [-]

Isn't that like saying psychology is useless since humans have "free will"? It may not be perfectly predictive, but it's still interesting and useful to know what the underlying math and incentives tend to.

In any case, if there are major exceptions that deviate form the mathematical political optima, I want to know why that is.

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 November 2014 02:50:58PM 1 point [-]

Isn't that like saying psychology is useless since humans have "free will"?

The problem isn't uselessness it's that people think they understand more than they do and make a lot of silly mistakes because they are overconfident that their models matter.

In particular people it makes people underrate the value of the public debate and complex coalition building and focus to much on elections as if they are the only way that public policy get's decided.

Whether or not humans have free will is also arguable.

Comment author: AABoyles 14 November 2014 03:21:12PM 1 point [-]

Is your disagreement with Capla's interest in electoral dynamics, or with Political Science writ large?

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 November 2014 03:52:40PM 0 points [-]

I think plenty of people in political science departments misunderstand politics because they are in their ivory tower. On the other hand that doesn't mean that everybody in political science doesn't know what they are talking about.

Comment author: AABoyles 14 November 2014 04:28:27PM 1 point [-]

"In particular people it makes people underrate the value of the public debate and complex coalition building and focus to[sic] much on elections as if they are the only way that public policy get's[sic] decided."

There's a lot more to political science than non-causal models predicting elections. Coalition-building, to borrow your example, is a particularly rich topic of study.

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 November 2014 05:05:37PM 2 points [-]

There's a lot more to political science than non-causal models predicting elections.

Here my core concern isn't so much political science but people from a STEM mindset trying to understand politics and then focusing their energies on easily modeled processes and thereby misunderstand the complexity of politics.

If you want to know more about my position see the discussion on http://lesswrong.com/lw/krp/three_methods_of_attaining_change/ .

Comment author: AABoyles 14 November 2014 05:18:53PM 2 points [-]

Ah, the sweet smell of common ground! I definitely agree with this.

Comment author: Capla 14 November 2014 04:26:52PM 0 points [-]

Whether or not humans have free will is also arguable.

It's in quotes for a reason.