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Comment author: ChristianKl 14 November 2014 03:51:11PM 0 points [-]

The "politics of elections" are explicable mathematically using formal methods like game theory. That said, it's social science, which is naturally inexact, which makes it difficult. If you want to criticize it, how about learning the math yourself?

I trust people who are actually successful at politics over people sitting in academia when it comes to explaining me how politics works.

As far as the ability to do the math of the field goes, when I was a kid I did the d'hondt calculation to get the amount of seats particular election results would produce while being at a election party and most of the people with public offices at the party had never run d'hondt.

Comment author: AABoyles 14 November 2014 04:17:53PM 0 points [-]

OK, props to you for working through a mathematical model of an election. But I find your criticism about the ability of elected officials to be wanting: Do you expect your plumber to well-versed in the mathematics of hydrodynamics?

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 November 2014 04:58:53PM 0 points [-]

The point is that elected officials are the experts at politics. If they have no use for knowing the math, then the math is not central.

Comment author: Lumifer 14 November 2014 05:05:10PM 2 points [-]

The campaigns of candidates employ political consultants many of whom are statisticians of the Nate Silver kind. All high-level campaigns do a lot of data mining and analysis.

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 November 2014 05:19:15PM 0 points [-]

I don't deny that there's polling and trying to predict the effect of political messaging based on statistical models.

On the other hand running a campaign and doing public policy are two different things.

*I would also note that I don't live in the US but in Germany, and we don't have exactly the same political system.

Comment author: AABoyles 14 November 2014 05:34:34PM 1 point [-]

So you're criticizing Capla's interest in models of electoral dynamics because politicians don't do it. That misses the point: electoral dynamics are mathematically explicable. They don't cause electoral outcomes, so an in-depth understanding of them is of limited value to candidates themselves. But trusting the explanations of the politicians as to why they won an election is a genuinely terrible approach to understanding anything but the politician's own beliefs.