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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 18 November 2014 02:35:16PM 1 point [-]

The cost of annexing can be very high. War is hard on people, and we don't have methods of smoothly and sensibly rearranging national borders.

Also, at that point, country Y has inherited all of country X's problems.

As far as I can tell, you don't get everyone (or a very large proportion) of people wanting to leave a country unless there's a lot of violence or a natural disaster. If the problem is poverty, people would rather have some members of their families emigrate to work, and send money back.

I think "annexing country X" might show some problems with utilitarian thinking-- a tendency to abstract away important amounts of detail and the costs of getting from point A to point B. This doesn't mean utilitarian thinking is always wrong, but these are problems to watch out for.

Comment author: Azathoth123 21 November 2014 06:33:47AM 2 points [-]

Also, at that point, country Y has inherited all of country X's problems.

That's my point. Having many people from country X emigrate to country Y causes country X to acquire country Y's problems.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 21 November 2014 12:47:43PM 1 point [-]

Immigration doesn't lead to importing country X's government.

Comment author: Azathoth123 27 November 2014 04:41:33AM 2 points [-]

True, but it may very well lead to importing the reason country X has the government it does.