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Emile comments on Open thread, Nov. 17 - Nov. 23, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Emile 18 November 2014 11:09:34PM 3 points [-]

What's so great about impacting the status quo? That doesn't seem like something worth aiming for. I mean, yeah, sure, most ways of making the world a better place impact the status quo; but most ways of making the world a better place involve making noise at one point of the other, that doesn't mean that making noise is some great thing we should aim for.

Things that make the world (or lesswrong, or your family, etc.) a worse place are more likely to make people upset than things that make the world a better place. There are also more ways to make things worse than to make things better.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 November 2014 02:25:58AM 1 point [-]

What's so great about impacting the status quo?

Depends on your value system, of course. But impacting the status quo is a synonym for "making a difference" and if you don't ever make a difference, well...

Comment author: faul_sname 25 November 2014 07:27:20PM 0 points [-]

well...

Please continue. If you don't ever make a difference, then what?

Comment author: Lumifer 25 November 2014 07:52:34PM 0 points [-]

Then I'm not sure what your terminal values are beyond surviving.

Comment author: faul_sname 25 November 2014 08:37:14PM *  1 point [-]

I think there may be a communication failure here. While most desirable changes are themselves changes to the status quo, the phrase "changing the status quo" generally has the connotation of moving away from an undesirable state, instead of moving toward a desirable state.

For a concrete example, if I wanted to eradicate malaria, I would say "I want to eradicate malaria," not "I want to impact the status quo" or "I want to make a difference," even though both types of statements are true. The goal is to make a specific difference, not to make a difference.

Comment author: Lumifer 25 November 2014 08:42:07PM 0 points [-]

the phrase "changing the status quo" generally has the connotation of moving away from an undesirable state, instead of moving toward a desirable state.

Yes, looks like a communication problem. The phrase "changing the status quo" has no such connotation for me, at all. I would be happy to call eradicating malaria changing the status quo.