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Lumifer comments on Open thread, Nov. 17 - Nov. 23, 2014 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 21 November 2014 03:51:33AM 1 point [-]

I'm talking about getting their secure passwords

Proper security (nowadays) usually depends on a mix of three things -- what you know (passwords), what you have (physical tokens), and what you are (biometrics).

with a perfect brain

Not sure which capabilities do you think a "perfect" brain will have. You still won't become an X-man.

Comment author: dxu 21 November 2014 05:27:07AM *  0 points [-]

Proper security (nowadays) usually depends on a mix of three things -- what you know (passwords), what you have (physical tokens), and what you are (biometrics).

Do you think it's possible to get into the NSA at some point along the security chain with only "what you know (passwords)"? Just curious.

Not sure which capabilities do you think a "perfect" brain will have. You still won't become an X-man.

I would assume that that means no more cognitive biases, perfect memory, no logical errors, etc. The increase in processing speed that would come from no longer having to deal with the corresponding mental garbage would no doubt be quite impressive. Furthermore, if you have "perfect control" as specified by the OP, you ought to be able to simulate people just by forcing your mind to act like theirs. It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that you might be able to guess some NSA workers' passwords while simulating them with near-perfect fidelity.

Comment author: Lumifer 21 November 2014 07:24:42AM 4 points [-]

Do you think it's possible to get into the NSA at some point along the security chain with only "what you know (passwrods)"? Just curious.

Depends on what do you mean by "get into the NSA", of course, but I'd rate your chances as very low, especially post-Snowden.

To start with, I assume their sensitive information is air-gapped.

The increase in processing speed that would come from no longer having to deal with the corresponding mental garbage would no doubt be quite impressive.

Not sure about that. You still have the same underlying biology, you don't get to optimize your neuron topology, and neurons are slow.

you ought to be able to simulate people just by forcing your mind to act like theirs.

No, that wouldn't work because you don't have enough information about their mind in order to simulate it.

you might be able to guess some NSA workers' passwords

Guessing passwords is not the hard part :-)