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Comment author: Lumifer 03 December 2014 06:06:13PM *  1 point [-]

My point is that this is a general issue in politics

That's kinda a general issue in humans and usually goes by the name of Confirmation Bias.

For example, debates about religion or, say, global warming work in exactly the same way.

Comment author: Salemicus 03 December 2014 08:31:20PM 3 points [-]

But I don't think it's just confirmation bias. People do get won over by arguments. People do change their minds, convert, etc. And often after changing their mind they become just as passionate for their new cause as they ever were for the old. But what is persuasive and what is logical sometimes seem disjoint to different people.

You are right that these things afflict some areas more than others. Politics and religion are notoriously bad. And I do think a large part of it is that people simply have very different standards for what a successful argument looks like, and that this is almost an aesthetic.

Comment author: Lumifer 03 December 2014 09:52:05PM *  1 point [-]

People do get won over by arguments.

Sure, confirmation bias is a force but it's not an insurmountable force. It only makes changing one's beliefs difficult, but not impossible.

But what is persuasive and what is logical sometimes seem disjoint to different people.

I agree and I don't find this surprising. People are different and that's fine.

Take the classic "Won't somebody please think of the children!" argument. I, for example, find it deeply suspect to the extent that it works as an anti-argument for me. But not an inconsiderate number of people can be convinced by this (and, in general, by emotional-appeal strategies).

I guess what kind of people are convinced by what kind of arguments would be an interesting area to research.