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SanguineEmpiricist comments on Neo-reactionaries, why are you neo-reactionary? - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: SanguineEmpiricist 18 November 2014 05:16:05AM *  9 points [-]

I am an Aristocratic Egalitarian/'neoreactionary' because of Curt Doolittle. He has by far the most well developed piece of work in the Dark Enlightenment. I had developed a good amount of the Burkean sentinments myself and from Taleb, but I wasn't quite sure. Moldbug tipped me over, and then I found Aristocratic Egalitarianism. I'm probably somewhere between Thiel, John Gray,Taleb, Curt. + Influences from Machiavelli and Isaiah Berlin. With Elizier and Robin as well of course.

If you want a coherent framing point that is articulate, well stated, and non-obscurant Aristocratic Egalitarianism is it. You don't have to have hate in your heart to be NRx. It can be forward and positive, and it is mostly. However, before that it is.... 'sober'. There is no eliteness without appreciation and paternalism. It's not people's fault for how nature rolled the dice for them and it wasn't say high intelligence or executive functioning; no matter what the kids say. Being blessed with a lot of ability comes with the responsibility and that also means that people who are very intelligent but do not have responsibility are strictly looked down on in my point of view.

If it helps, I used to be an ultra-leftist & I'm not white and I can accept what every one is saying. Nyan/Nick Land is a good example of forward looking persons. Check out nickbsteves, and the people over at Social Matter.

By the way, the futarchy is way less cogent as a viewpoint than any of the plural viewpoints in 'NRx'. I chose to reframe around Curt because he can just say it and get it over with. He has convinced me of how class, race, and environmental value loading deeply influences the way you state things. I must insist every one check out his work.

http://www.propertarianism.com/2014/11/11/newest-most-precise-definition/ http://www.propertarianism.com/reading-list/

Comment author: [deleted] 20 November 2014 04:30:43AM 2 points [-]

Nyan/Nick Land is a good example of a forward looking person.

Those aren't the same person.

Comment author: SanguineEmpiricist 20 November 2014 07:57:32AM *  2 points [-]

I'm well aware they aren't. Just missed the s there.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 18 November 2014 04:40:01PM 2 points [-]

Any chance of translating those from the original Moldbuggese?

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 19 November 2014 11:40:39AM 3 points [-]

None of the books in http://www.propertarianism.com/reading-list/ was written by Moldbug.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 22 November 2014 02:53:27PM -1 points [-]

I was looking for a summary of the summary, not the opposite.

Comment author: SanguineEmpiricist 18 November 2014 07:58:46PM -2 points [-]

I'm not sure what you're asking for. At first glance, seems like a poseur insult.

Comment author: RowanE 18 November 2014 08:55:05PM 5 points [-]

Moldbug is notorious for a jargon-heavy and hard-to-read writing style, which your comment is being compared to in a request for a clarified version.

Comment author: SanguineEmpiricist 18 November 2014 09:06:22PM *  5 points [-]

Glossary:

NRx - Outer Right/New Right/Vague, fluid, and shifting community of associates, including people who do not like the term 'neoreaction'. Alternate Name: Antiquarian Modernism via Nick Land @ xenosystems. Everything else: http://www.propertarianism.com/glossary/

Comment author: ChristianKl 19 November 2014 03:09:15PM 1 point [-]

Not really. Burkean sentinments isn't in that list.

From the outside it's not clear what "I chose to reframe around" means.

I can guess at "forward looking person" but I'm not quite sure.

Comment author: Capla 18 November 2014 09:19:49PM 1 point [-]

and from Taleb

Is that Black Swan/Fooled by Randomness Taleb?

Comment author: SanguineEmpiricist 18 November 2014 09:22:01PM 1 point [-]

Yes. Also see http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2392310

People have a lot of distorted opinions about him, so make sure to check the appendix recommended readings etc just to get an accurate idea of him.